[MR] Laurel Acceptances and Returns for August

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Greetings Atlantia from Lord Michael Batcok, Triton Principal Herald.

The new Laurel team is in action and has released the following decisions 
that were made in August for Alantian submissions that were forwarded to them 
from Kingdom in April.  As this is their first production LoAR there were 
some kinks to work out, thus the delay in it's publication.  Laurel has 
promised to have the LoARs caught up to schedule within the next couple of 
months.

ATLANTIAN items ACCEPTED by Laurel:

Aramon de Cantigny. Name. 
    There was some question as to whether Aramon was a period French
    masculine given name.

    Morlet's Dictionnaire {E'}tymologique de Noms de Famille (which is
    a revised edition of Dauzat's Noms et Prenoms), p. 50
    s. n. Arramond, gives this as a Gascon variant of Ramon(d) but
    gives no dates for this name.  Since Remon, Haimmon, and Simon
    (all derived from Germanic names that normally end in -mund)
    appear in the 1292 Paris census, Aramon would seem to be
    plausible.

    The submitter requested an authentic name for 16th C French.  We
    have no evidence that this name is authentic for the 16th C, but
    it is registerable.

Caer Gelynniog, College of. Name. 
    This name does not conflict with the Shire of Caer Galen (reg. May
    1980 via Atenveldt) due to the addition of the syllable -iog.

Catlin McRay. Badge. (Fieldless) A spiderweb couped sable charged with
 an increscent argent.

Cunradt Scholl von Franken. Device. Quarterly gules and Or, in bend
 sinister a catamount rampant and another contourny sable.

Dubhghall B{`a}n. Name and device. Argent, a thistle proper on a chief
 vert three Celtic crosses Or.
    Submitted as D{'u}ghall B{`a}n, the form D{'u}ghall was cited from
    Black (p. 217 s. n. Dougal).  While Black cites this as a Gaelic
    form, he gives no date for it.  The standard pre-1200 form of this
    name is Dubgall, and the standard post-1200 form is Dubhghall.
    The submitted form seems to be a modern form.  We have therefore
    changed this to a period form.

Ellen Miller. Name and device. Argent, on a bend sinister cotised
 azure a quatrefoil palewise argent.
    Good name!

Gemma Stone. Name and device. Argent, a dragon passant and on a chief
 sable three crescents argent.
    The question came up as to whether this name should be returned as
    a "joke name".  The following precedent applies:

        The fact that this is a "joke name" is not, in and of itself,
        a problem.  The College has registered a number of names,
        perfectly period in formation, that embodied humor: Drew
        Steele, Miles Long, and John of Somme Whyre spring to mind as
        examples.  (Porsche Audi, August, 1992, pg. 28)

    Gemma Stone seems to be no more obtrusively modern than Drew
    Steele, Miles Long, and John of Somme Whyre cited above.  As such,
    we are registering the name.

Giles Warinot. Name. 
    Good name!

Hrosvitha von Celle. Name. 

Jacquetta Edington of Yorkshire. Device. Purpure, a goblet and in
 chief three roses Or.

Jacquette Beamonte. Name. 

Katarina Kittmann. Name and device. Purpure, a unicorn rampant and on
 a chief embattled argent three roses purpure.
    Listed on the LoI as Katarina Kitter, the name was submitted as
    Katarina Kittmann and changed at kingdom as no documentation could
    be found for Kittmann.  Metron Ariston found support for Kittmann,
    so we are returning the name to that form.

    The device is clear of conflict with Iana of Whiteclif, Purpure, a
    unicorn rampant and on a chief argent three fleurs-de-lis
    purpure. There is a CD for the embattling of the chief by X.4.e.
    There is also a CD for the change of the type of tertiaries
    between roses and fleurs-de-lys by X.4.j.ii.c.  Roses and
    fleurs-de-lys are substantially different.  They are two of the
    more common charges in real-world heraldry.  When used as primary
    charges, the change from a fleur-de-lys to a rose (or vice versa)
    would not have been considered a standard cadency change, thus
    meeting the definition of "substantial" as per rule X.2.  They are
    visually dissimilar as well, having very different outlines.

    The unicorn is in an acceptable rampant posture.  The bendwise
    posture of the body is quite common in later period armory
    especially when, as here, the tail balances the body and fills the
    remaining space to sinister.  Staff says that it is an
    "excellently goaty unicorn with a lovely tuft at the end of its
    tail".

    In a correctly drawn embattled line, the embattlements are square.
    Please advise the submitter to draw a deeper embattling.

Kolfinna Ragnarsdottir. Name. 

Magnus balli Thorvaldsson. Name. 

Meadhbh inghean Thaidhg u{i'} Domhnaill. Name. 
    Listed on the LoI as M{e'}abh inghean Thaidg ua Domnaill, the
    submitter requested authenticity for 14th to 15th C Irish.

    The submitter documented M{e'}abh from {O'} Corr{a'}in & Maguire
    (p. 135 s. n. Medb).  When multiple forms are listed after the
    colon in headers in OCM, the first form after the colon is usually
    a period form and the latter forms are usually modern.  In this
    case, M{e'}abh is almost certainly modern as it does not follow
    period spelling conventions.

    The form we are registering here, Meadhbh inghean Thaidhg u{i'}
    Domhnaill, is the appropriate form of this name for the
    submitter's desired time period.

    Nice name!

Merewen Albern. Name and device. Azure, a trident between two
 fleurs-de-lys a bordure Or.
    Submitted as Merecwen Albeorn, both elements of this name were
    constructed by choosing a protheme and a deuterotheme from Searle
    and putting them together.  In Anglo-Saxon, not all prothemes and
    deuterothemes can be combined.  In this case, -cwen only appears
    as a deuterotheme once, and the case appears to be a variant of a
    name that normally appears in the form Cwenburh.  Thus it is not
    sufficient evidence that -cwen can be used as a deuterotheme with
    another protheme.  As such, we have changed the given name to
    Merewen which is documented as a given name in Reaney and Wilson
    (s.n. Marvin).

    Something similar to the byname Albeorn is more plausible since
    Searle documents Albernus.

    The submitter has requested authenticity for Anglo-Saxon
    language/culture and allows any changes.  As such, we are changing
    this name to Merewen Albern to follow documented examples.

    Please advise the submitter to draw the bordure wider.

Metylda the Cunning. Name and device. Argent, a fox's mask gules
 between three quivers vert each containing two arrows sable.
    The submitter requested authenticity for Scots language/culture.
    We have no evidence the Cunning was used as a byname in Scots, so
    we were unable to make the name authentic.  However, it is
    registerable.

Nottinghill Coill, Barony of. Badge. (Fieldless) Two Wake knots
 conjoined in pale argent.
    A Wake knot, as per the PicDic, is fesswise by default.  Two Wake
    knots in pale would be arranged like these.  However there is no
    guarantee that the loose ends would tie up as neatly as in this
    badge.  It is as likely that the loose ends would stick out and
    the round parts would be conjoined.

    The fact that the loose ends do connect up with each other in an
    unbroken interlace could imply that this is "knotwork." On the
    other hand, the knots maintain their identifiability as Wake
    knots, which are themselves a standard heraldic knot.  The
    conjunction may not be the only way to conjoin the knots, but it
    is an acceptable way to do so.

    A pertinent precedent on the topic is in the LoAR of November
    1994, for the Middle Kingdom's Order of the Cavendish Knot,
    [Fieldless] Four Cavendish knots conjoined in cross vert:

        There was much commentary on the issue of whether the charge
        runs afoul of our long-standing ban on knotwork; the consensus
        here seems to be similar to that of several years ago when we
        were considering three Wake knots conjoined in pall: "The
        question is whether the conjunction of the knots diminishes
        their identifiability to the point where they should not be
        allowed.  In this case, the answer seems to be 'no'.  Note,
        however, that this would not be the case were the knots not of
        themselves clearly defined period heraldic charges, were the
        knot itself complex or requiring modification in shape to
        produce the conjunction (as would be the case with a Lacy
        knot) or were the numbers so increased ... as to diminish
        the size seriously."  (Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane, LoAR of 26
        November 1989, p. 9)

        It should be noted, however, that this badge is probably
        pushing right to the limits of the allowance; an increase of
        number would probably begin to reduce the identifiability of
        the separate knots.

    This conjunction of knots is a weirdness, but as there is only one
    such weirdness, it is registerable.

Richard de Montbrai. Badge. (Fieldless) A griffin passant azure. 
    Classic badge!

Rivers Point, Canton of. Branch name and device. Or, a pall wavy
 purpure in chief a tower sable overall a laurel wreath vert.
    Listed on the LoI as River Point, Canton of, the name was
    originally submitted as Canton of Rivers' Point.  The LoI notes
    that "the submitters say that they are most concerned about the
    meaning, which they interpret as 'land at the confluence of two
    rivers.'"

    No one was able to find documentation for Point with the meaning
    desired by the submitters.  However, documentation was found that
    a promontory that took its name from a person's surname could be
    named [surname] Point.  As Rivers is a reasonable surname, Rivers
    Point is a reasonable placename.

Tarvin, Shire of. Branch name (see RETURNS for device). 

Tessa of Crossgate. Name and device. Azure, on a bend sinister between
 two hearts argent a cross barby palewise sable.

Wulf de Langhemerc. Name and device. Argent, a cross barby sable and a
 chief checky sable and argent.
    Good name!

ATLANTIAN items RETURNED by Laurel for further work:

Sib{a'}n ingen Dhomnaill. Name. 
    Conflict with Siobhan MacDonald, reg. March 1985 via the West.
    The precedent that is applicable here is:

        ... one of the considerations that went into the present
        version of RfS V (Name Conflict) was that names that were
        interchangeable in period probably ought to conflict.  (For an
        example see RfS 1.a.ii(b) (Locative Bynames).) Since Bridget
        Killeen and Brighid N{i'} Chill{i'}n could indeed have
        signified the same person very late in our period, it is at
        least consistent with other parts of the rules to say that
        they conflict (Talan Gwynek, LoAR March 1996, p.  10)

    As Sib{a'}n ingen Dhomnaill could have been referred to in
    Anglicized documents with the byname MacDonald, these two names
    conflict.

Tarvin, Shire of. Device. Or, a bend sinister sable, overall on a delf
 ploy{e'} counterchanged a laurel wreath sable.
    Current precedent indicates:

        The only time we permit a charge to be counterchanged over
        another is when they are both ordinaries.  (Shire of Crystal
        Crags, 12/98 p. 13)

    While a delf is simple, it is not an ordinary.  Moreover, a delf
    ploye is not a simple delf.  As far as we can tell it is only used
    as a period charge in Mameluk heraldry, and is thus somewhat of a
    weirdness in general Western style.  The cumulative problems with
    the style of this submission are sufficient to require its return.
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