[MR] Laurel Returns for December

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Fri Mar 23 14:46:11 PST 2001


Greetings Atlantia from Lord Michael Batcok, Triton Principal Herald.

The following items were RETURNED by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms for futher 
work at her December meeting:

ATLANTIA

Andela Romier. Badge. (Fieldless) A mouse sejant ululant to sinister
  argent.
     While we allow wolves and foxes to be ululant, the head posture is
     an SCA invention. It is possible that had the head posture been
     introduced today we would not allow it.  Allowing ululant wolves
     is a step beyond period practice; allowing anything but canines to
     use the position is two steps beyond period practice and therefore
     grounds for return.

Cormac an Faoldubh. Device. Quarterly Or and azure, a cross
  counterchanged between in bend a wolf's head erased and a fret sable.
     By RfS XI.3, Marshalling, fields divided quarterly can only be
     displayed in a limited number of forms without creating the
     appearance of marshalling.  This does not qualify, because there
     is more than one type of charge on the field in addition to the
     cross.  As crosses were used in period as overall charges on
     marshalled coats of arms, adding it does not remove the appearance
     of marshalling.

Derdriu ingen Muiredaig. Name.
     This is in aural conflict with Derdriu ingen Mhurchadha,
     registered in May 2000.

Juliana la Caminante de Navarra. Badge. Sable, a Lacy knot Or
  conjoined at the tips to eight lily flowers argent.
     The lily flowers are unidentifiable when used at the ends of the
     knots; they could be easily misidentified as tassels which were
     used at the ends of knots. Therefore the badge is in conflict with
     Lacy (important real-world badge), A Lacy knot, with only a single
     CD for fieldlessness.

Kisaiya Zingara. Badge. (Fieldless) A sword inverted argent, entwined
  overall by a rose purpure, slipped and leaved vert.
     As drawn, the rose is barely overall.  This kind of overall charge
     has been disallowed for some time.  If drawn with a standard
     entwined rose, it is in conflict with Barbara Fitzhugh de
     Brandhard, Azure, a sword inverted proper entwined widdershins of
     a poppy proper. Traditionally, entwined charges are treated like
     maintained charges unless both charges have equal visual
     weight. Therefore there is not a CD for the change to the flower.

Leonidas Mantineios. Device. Checky azure and argent, on a plate a
  dolphin naiant embowed sable.
     The large emblazon had colored the dolphin so that one of the fins
     and most of the face were argent.  As a result the dolphin has
     insufficient contrast with the argent roundel.  In addition,
     please instruct the submitter to draw the head of the dolphin in a
     more heraldic manner.

Muirgheal inghean u{i'} {O'}ga{i'}n. Device. Sable, a seadragon and in
  chief three annulets Or.
     Conflict with the badge for Ulric Grimmheld, reblazoned elsewhere
     in this letter, Sable, a dragon segreant guardant maintaining a
     sledge-hammer Or. Because a seadragon is almost identical in shape
     to a wyvern, which is an artistic variant of a dragon, there is
     not a CD between a dragon and a seadragon, and an examination of
     Ulric's device showed that the hammer was maintained. Thus there
     is only a single CD for adding the annulets.

Olwen the Odd. Device. Azure, in pale a comet bendwise argent and a
  crescent, a tierce Or.
     The device was withdrawn at the request of the submitter.

Oriana of Xylina. Badge. Or, a lizard rampant sable, collared and
  chained argent, a bordure sable.
     The primary charge was not identifiable as a lizard.  The neck of
     the creature was too long, and the hind legs of the creature are
     significantly larger than the forelegs.  Both of these details
     were enough to question if the charge was actually a dinosaur, a
     creature unknown to period Europeans.

Timothy de Tindall. Device. Or, a bend sinister azure, overall a
  griffin sejant guardant maintaining in its dexter forepaw an eye
  sable irised Or.
     As drawn the overall charge is unidentifiable.  This combination
     of the guardant head and the badly drawn ears makes the type of
     head difficult to recognize, while placing the wings on the low
     contrast bend sinister further blurs the identifiability.

Ulric the Fox. Device. Per pale and chauss{e'} argent and sable, a
  fox's mask counterchanged.
     Conflict with the badge for Arinbjorn R{u'}n{o'}lfsson Rafnssonar,
     A wolf's head cabossed per pale sable and argent enflamed gules.
     An examination of the emblazon shows that the enflaming of
     Arinbjorn's head is not worth a CD.  Therefore, there is only one
     CD for adding the field.

Yevane Jameson. Device. Per pall inverted azure, vert and Or.
     Conflict with Rivika Vladimirovna Rivkina, Per pall sable, vert,
     and Or.There is a CD for changing the line of division from per
     pall to per pall inverted, but nothing for changing the tincture
     of one third of the field.



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