Fw: Re: [MR] help

[michael.kannon at quintiles.com]

MOTHER OF FREAKING GOD PEOPLE!!!!

Please Attempt to Grow, Borrow or Steal a FREAKING Sense of FUN or
HUMOR!!!!

Seeing as many folks lack my sense of play lets get serious for a moment.

Aodhfionn au Diarmuid, bring your documentation and your foil to the field.
Show me.  This is all I ask. Show me your Primary Source documentation that
this fact is true  "The foil's weight and balance are in fact almost
exactly the same as an actual period rapier,"  Show me why the foil matches
the weight of your foil matches perfectly and my epee does not.  I'll Bring
a copy of three Elizabethan masters with me. It has copies of all the wood
cut prints from three translated masters in it.  Not Familiar with the term
"primary source documentation " Talk to your MOAS

If you'd get the list you note that I pointed out that while FOILS ARE
LEGAL. - FACT.  I don't like them.  - ONION.  I Feel they are the most
DANGEROUS weapon that I have ever fought with in the SCA.- OPINION   (BTW I
am authorized in ALL forms of Combat including Equestrian, with the
exception of archery and glave) My concern as a Marshal is they are
outweighed by the thicker, more common epee, being lighter they get a nicks
quickly and nicks lead to breaks.  breaks lead to marshals reports, hurt
fighters, and more rules that is my concern as a marshal.  Its a concern.
I DO NOT MAKE THE RULES.   I am there to make sure that combat activities
happen in a sane, safe fashion.   I prefer epees because they stand up
better to the type of play we do.

I'd also like to point out that the poor guy just asked where to get tips
for his blades has anyone else answered his question but me?  Or have those
of you that choose to respond to this only had the time to ridicule me for
making a joke?

One more thing gooba, join the list before you post to it, bad form.

I look forward to reading your documentation.
Gaston





"Ian & Lauren Munro" <ianandlauren at silverquill.net>@atlantia.sca.org on
07/23/2001 10:59:20 AM

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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Wolfe <aodhfionn at yahoo.com>
To: Ian & Lauren Munro <ianandlauren at silverquill.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [MR] help


> Hey, all.
>
> I'm not on the MR list, so I'd appreciate your passing
> on this little tirade:
>
> Despite the claims of various individuals in the SCA
> rapier community, the foil is in fact the more perfect
> rapier fighting weapon.  Historically, the foil we use
> today is a largely unmodified descendant of the
> training weapon used by fencing masters of the
> renaissance.  The epee and schlager both were not
> introduced until the advent of sport fencing, which
> would make them distinctly non-period weapons.
>
> The foil's weight and balance are in fact almost
> exactly the same as an actual period rapier, and the
> foil was developed and used by such masters as
> diGrassi and Caranza to instruct students in the art
> without causing injury.  Modern fencing rules are
> descended from those training techniques, and SCA
> rapier combat atempts to bring back those portions of
> rapier combat that modern fencing has rejected for the
> sport.
>
> I submit to you that, given the history of the foil
> (which I will happily provide documentation of to any
> interested parties) and the historical bent of the
> SCA, to suggest that the foil is an inferior weapon is
> to suggest that those masters who gave us our art were
> in fact rank amateurs, and that we know more about
> rapier than those whose works we study to improve our
> own skills.
>
> I should point out, however, that foil blades are VERY
> flexible, and tend to wear out quickly, so must be
> replaced every six months to a year, and as Gaston
> suggests, the older blades should be checked by a
> marshall before trying to use them.  Better yet, just
> replace the blades.  I also suggest that you consider
> your fighting style.  I use only foils, because my
> style is very high-speed, constant motion fighting.
> If your style is more defensive or low speed, epees
> may be the beter choice for you.
>
> Further, I suggest that any marshall who voices an
> OPINION carefully label it as such, and make it known
> that this is not law. I mean no disrespect to Gaston.
> But i must point out that many fighters, especially
> new fighters, tend to be intimidated by marshalls, and
> regard the marshall's word as absolute law.  This can
> lead to confusion and misunderstanding, which can ruin
> the game for everyone.
>
> Aodhfionn au Diarmuid
>
>
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