<div dir="ltr">Makes sense to me. Plus bamboo darts (for example) should be less expensive than darts made from modern materials would be.<div><br></div><div>in service,</div><div><br>Eirik Gralokkr</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 9:14 AM <<a href="mailto:archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Archers mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: <<a href="mailto:neacalban1@aol.com" target="_blank">neacalban1@aol.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:ladygreenleafe@gmail.com" target="_blank">ladygreenleafe@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vaarstj@hotmail.com" target="_blank">vaarstj@hotmail.com</a><br>
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On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 1:40 PM jeff <<a href="mailto:vaarstj@hotmail.com" target="_blank">vaarstj@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I agree with your assessment.? Wooden/bamboo darts with feathers.? A composite atlatl equates to a composite bow.? As for straightening and throwing, I've seen little difference between straight and crooked darts.? Points extend the life of the dart, but they'll stick without them.<br>
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Subject: [Archers] Atlatl?Greetings Atlantian Archers. It has come to my attention that there are very little guidelines about Atlatl and equipment documented. Also I see that there is some marketing of Atlatl equipment from such sources as 3-River Archery. (<a href="https://www.3riversarchery.com/carbon-express-atlatl-kit.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.3riversarchery.com/carbon-express-atlatl-kit.html</a>)<br>
My opinion is I am OK with modern material for Atlatls but I am not OK with modern materials such as carbon darts. I view this the same way we allow modern material for bows and not arrows. My suggestion below for our Target Archery Handbook.<br>
"Atlatl? Inspection of equipment will in general be the same as for archery equipment.? Atlatls and darts should be constructed to resemble materials and equipment that existed in-period. Natural materials like wood and bamboo are recommended. In the Kingdom of Atlantia, darts cannot be used that are made of carbon fiber or any other modern materials.? Darts should be reasonably straight with fletches of feathers, paper, or leather. Points are optional, but if used must be securely fastened to the dart.? The atlatl itself will be smooth and free of cracks, warps, and bends so as not to endanger the user or others."<br>
So, since I am not King, Queen or the Earl Marshal I am not the last say in this. I welcome all reasonable dialog in regards to crafting guidelines. Please contribute especially those with expertise with this equipment.peter<br>
I look forward to some dialog over this matter. Thank you.<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:neacalban1@aol.com" target="_blank">neacalban1@aol.com</a>, <a href="mailto:ladygreenleafe@gmail.com" target="_blank">ladygreenleafe@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vaarstj@hotmail.com" target="_blank">vaarstj@hotmail.com</a><br>
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Agree I do?<br>
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On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 1:40 PM jeff <<a href="mailto:vaarstj@hotmail.com" target="_blank">vaarstj@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I agree with your assessment.? Wooden/bamboo darts with feathers.? A composite atlatl equates to a composite bow.? As for straightening and throwing, I've seen little difference between straight and crooked darts.? Points extend the life of the dart, but they'll<br>
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Greetings Atlantian Archers. It has come to my attention that there are very little guidelines about Atlatl and equipment documented. Also I see that there is some marketing of Atlatl equipment from such sources as 3-River Archery. (<a href="https://www.3riversarchery.com/carbon-express-atlatl-kit.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.3riversarchery.com/carbon-express-atlatl-kit.html</a>)<br>
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My opinion is I am OK with modern material for Atlatls but I am not OK with modern materials such as carbon darts. I view this the same way we allow modern material for bows and not arrows. My suggestion below for our Target Archery Handbook.<br>
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? Atlatls and darts should be constructed to resemble materials and equipment that existed in-period. Natural materials like wood and bamboo are recommended. In the Kingdom of Atlantia, darts cannot be used that are made of carbon fiber or any other modern<br>
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? Darts should be reasonably straight with fletches of feathers, paper, or leather. Points are optional, but if used must be securely fastened to the dart.<br>
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So, since I am not King, Queen or the Earl Marshal I am not the last say in this. I welcome all reasonable dialog in regards to crafting guidelines. Please contribute especially those with expertise with this equipment.peter<br>
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