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M'Lady Artemisa,<br>
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I am not familiar with the Sportflight bows, but they sound
interesting. I have once seen a larger Barnett bow based on the same
riser as the Little Sioux. I think it was just over 20 lbs. I had
the same non-tapering limbs, just longer. I got my first look at a
PSE snake at Ruby Joust, and I was not impressed. That said, they
are usually rated for 22 lbs, and almost nothing else is available
new in the 25 lb range, the perfect size for teens and petite
ladies.<br>
<br>
Martin Archery has a new line of very attractive youth bows, but
only up to 20 lbs when I last looked.<br>
<br>
Making 1/4" arrows is not that difficult. I issue 1/4" arrows only
for 9 lb bows like the Bear First Shot, as the shafts I've been
using are carefully selected hardware store dowels, and I have no
way to check their spine weight. Points and nocks are available from
3Rivers, and you can get 3" feathers from FS Discount Archery, or
cut your own with a Little Chopper. 1/4" arrows are available
ready-made from Black Rhino in 23" lengths, or Elk Ridge at 21"
(sold at Pennsic). I recently saw 1/4" 30 lb shafting available from
Kustom King Archery on close-out for less than $5.<br>
<br>
We all need to pay more attention to children's gear, especially
stocking good quality stuff in a variety of sizes. <br>
<br>
Yours Aye,<br>
<br>
<br>
Mungo<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/9/16 9:06 PM, Zemi wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Greetings all,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I would like to point out that the Barnett
Sportflight bows have much less of this problem and are a
standard 60" so they allow for full draw length for most
archers. They are also usually only $40, making them a
reasonable purchase for loaner gear, and can be disassembled
into riser and limbs for transportation. The latter fact makes
them more desirable to me than the PSE Snake (by example) for
loaner gear because I can pack them in a quiver unto themselves
and need no more room than I would for more arrows. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Arrows, of course, are a situation unto themselves.</p>
<p dir="ltr">As a new Marshal, I want to say "Thank you" for
pointing out the nature of the Little Sioux bows as I hadn't had
experience with them yet personally. </p>
<p dir="ltr">In Service,<br>
Artemisia </p>
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<div>Lord Mungo, thanks for the synopsis, while I did not
rule during my time DEM about the bows themselves, I did
state that I did not want those strings used for anyone
older than 8 years old and frankly I thought there were
better alternatives just like you explained. So unless
Lord Seamus changes my ruling, it should still stand.
The arrow problem is a bit more problematic but in
Brighthills we just let the kids shoot our same loaner
arrows that the adults do. Not optimal but we don't have
those issues. Think what you witnessed was one of those
things and we all should be aware of it. </div>
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<div>In Service,<br>
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<div>Janyn<br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:17:43 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Archers] Arrow/Bow Problem at Ruby<br>
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Noble Friends of the Bow, Greetings.<br>
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I want to talk about a potentially serious safety hazard
I observed at <br>
Ruby Joust, partly my fault for not being more vigilant.<br>
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Three youngsters from a family were shooting, with their
parents helping <br>
them. Both parents were archers. The oldest child, six
years-old, was <br>
using one of those cursed Barnett Little Sioux bows, and
children's <br>
glass fiber arrows with plastic vanes and rather blunt
crimp-on field <br>
points. He was shooting at targets set at about 7 yards,
and was able to <br>
pull the bow back not quite to his chest. Many of his
shots were not <br>
penetrating the target face, which was archery foam.
Suddenly one of his <br>
arrows bounced back, and began turning cartwheels before
landing about <br>
8' from the shooting line. His father and I agreed that
he was to only <br>
shoot at the 10-yard target from that point on. Before
they left the <br>
range, I asked the lad to try drawing one of my 12-18 lb
Bear Crusaders. <br>
He drew this bow effortlessly, actually a bit too far
without any <br>
problem. I wanted to discuss the youngsters' needs with
their father, <br>
but he was not really open to advice, or maybe I came on
too strong.<br>
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The problem lies first with that Barnett bow. This bow
is supposedly <br>
rated for 15 lbs, but most youngsters can't pull it to
an anchor point. <br>
Why? The limbs don't taper, either in thickness or from
side to side, <br>
thus the bow stacks very badly and there is no "let off"
gained from <br>
tapered limbs as the draw finishes. The bow usually
can't be drawn to 15 <br>
lbs, and this lad was probably struggling to get about 7
lbs from it. I <br>
had two of these turkeys in the Shire's loaner kit, and
nearly every <br>
youngster who ever used one hated those bows soundly.
One youngster was <br>
in tears, and begged me for another bow. I gave him an
old 17 lb Indian, <br>
and he had no problem shooting it. About two years ago I
worked a deal <br>
to trade the Shire two of my own nearly-new Bear
Crusaders for the <br>
Barnetts. I disassembled one, stripping off the limb
tips for my parts <br>
stock, and pulling out limbs, making sure they went into
a different <br>
trash cans so nobody could put the bow back in service
and frustrate <br>
other children. The second Barnett remains in my
teaching kit. Sadly, <br>
these things are much more common than Bears and PSEs
since they are <br>
featured at Dicks and Gander Mountain, and many kids
turn up on SCA <br>
ranges with them.<br>
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The second problem was the arrows. You all know, as I
also know, these <br>
things don't belong on our ranges because of the plastic
vanes and fiber <br>
shafts. I have gotten lax, and allowed very young
children to use them <br>
when no scores are involved. And yes, a lot of you do
this too, I'm <br>
sure. Normally these arrows can penetrate archery foam
fairly well, but <br>
in this case the lad's bow didn't have enough fling.
Those very blunt <br>
tips were the second reason he couldn't get penetration.
I suggested <br>
inexpensive children's arrows from Elk Ridge or Black
Rhino, but his dad <br>
wasn't interested. My mistake was compounded, because I
brought six sets <br>
of 1/4" children's arrows with PDP field points and
could easily have <br>
equipped all three children. In the future I will insist
that children <br>
bringing these arrows use my loaner gear instead (which
means I should <br>
make some more arrow sets before WoW). To the rest of
you, I recommend <br>
we all be more diligent about keeping these fiber arrows
off our ranges.<br>
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Yours Aye,<br>
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<br>
Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir TA MIC<br>
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