<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div aria-label="Compose body">I also applaud your efforts as well Sir Tnek! We are continuing discussions at the EM / DEM level with myself, DEM EQ, DEM Training, Mistress Lorelei and Sir Otto. I will post any outcome that might arise from our discussions. One of the biggest issues I am seeing is that there are a few EQ TA marshals that think they are fully warranted when they are not. We are working to correct this as well.<br></div><div aria-label="Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label="Compose body">In Service<br></div><div aria-label="Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label="Compose body">Janyn<br></div><div aria-label="Compose body"><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"John Atkins" <cogworks@triad.rr.com><br><b>To: </b>"Kent Baldwin" <whitegrifn@aol.com>, archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, October 4, 2015 11:43:06 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Archers] EQTA<br><div><br></div>Huzzah Sir Tnek! I applaud your volunteering to assist with the<br>establishment of a set of rules for EQ TA. For me that is all I have ever<br>requested of the EQ community. Their archery requires different range<br>standards than “normal” TA. All I have ever asked for is a set of rules.<br>NOT being a horse person I disqualified myself from this task. <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Again I applaud your volunteering for this task and seem the most likely<br>qualified candidate for the job. So let it begin and let’s firmly establish<br>safe EQ TA in Atlantia!<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Christophe of Grey<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf<br>Of Kent Baldwin<br>Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 10:02 PM<br>To: archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br>Subject: Re: [Archers] EQTA<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>All,<br><div><br></div>I'm sorry I wasn't able to join in this discussion earlier, but my e-mail<br>has been down, and I just got it back again.<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>I have read this and the other EQ TA threads on this list since Janyn's post<br>on 9/20/15, and I want all to know that I have had significant recent<br>experience with EQ TA, and want to pass this information on to the TA<br>Marshallate, as well as others on the list. As many of you know, I have<br>been a senior TA Marshal and active archer for many years now; but what you<br>may not know is that I have more recently (in the last two years) become<br>active in equestrian as well. While I still consider myself to be a novice<br>rider, I have authorized at the "Lancer" level, and have participated in EQ<br>activities at about a dozen events or practices, including EQ TA at least 5<br>times. I also have a close relationship with the current DEMEQ, Lady<br>Alienor de Bathe, as she is my EQ mentor and primary horse provider (I don't<br>own a horse).<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Obviously, I cannot speak to what others may have observed at events that I<br>did not attend, but I can tell you that in all of my experiences, I have<br>seen a strong effort by the EQ Marshallate to ensure safety during the EQ TA<br>activities, and that they have courteously sought out a TA marshal to work<br>with them on every occasion. In some cases, that TA marshal was myself,<br>while at others it was a local TA marshal for the event. I can also say<br>that I have not observed any dangerous acts on the EQ TA range, such as the<br>ones others on this list have indicated concern over. There may have been<br>some problems at a few events, or with some local EQ marshals, but I believe<br>that the senior EQ Marshallate is just as safety conscience as the TA<br>Marshallate, and fully on board with working with them to ensure that<br>safety.<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>I agree that we need to have a discussion on the rules for EQ TA, including<br>guidelines for marshalling requirements and, with Lord Janyn's & Lady<br>Alienor's approval, I am willing to work with both communities to ensure<br>that we have a set that will be agreeable to both.<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>In service<br><div><br></div>Sir Tnek the Ainissestor, KSCA, OPel, Baron, etc.<br><div><br></div>(Kent Baldwin)<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf<br>Of Lorelei Elkins<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:10 PM<br>To: John Atkins<br>Cc: archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br>Subject: Re: [Archers] EQTA<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>I'm only now getting caught up on all of the TA and EQ email reading. As<br>Knights Marshal for Sacred Stone, I suggested (strongly) that our Equestrian<br>Marshals take the Target Archery marshals Class if they plan to do any horse<br>archery. That has been accomplished. Baroness Beatrice, our Baronial<br>Equestrian Marshal will also become an archery marshal. I happen to think<br>this is the best path. <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>There are other issues within the Equestrian community that they need to<br>work through, but they are just starting out like we were years ago, they'll<br>figure it all out eventually. <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Lorelei<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, John Atkins <cogworks@triad.rr.com> wrote:<br><div><br></div>I think Lady Esa has hit on the correct answer here. I don’t know any in<br>the TA community that would NOT want EQTA as an activity. However, as Lady<br>Esa points out, many, if not most, of us TA marshals are not familiar with<br>the EQ requirements. I don’t mean just the EQTA I mean the EQ other stuff<br>they do and requirements for them to do “their thing” safely but those<br>aspects that would affect EQTA. To say this a bit more boldly, I think BOTH<br>communities would benefit from including EQTA in activities offered at<br>events, done in a safe manner.<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Now that said, I am still in favor of some written rules and procedures for<br>doing EQTA safely. For example, I see their overshoot safety zones to be<br>considerably different than those for TA for several reasons. To help<br>clarify my thoughts here, I see videos of Kasai shooting from horseback<br>while his horse runs down a path. His first shot is forward, second to his<br>side and third to his rear. Very cool! But it does involve a safety zone<br>significantly different from that for TA. May I suggest that a person from<br>the TA community and a person from the EQ community work together to create<br>rules and procedures that can be submitted for review (a standard process we<br>went through when atlatl was introduced to Atlantia).<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>My two cents worth,<br><div><br></div>Christophe of Grey<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf<br>Of Esa inghean Donnchaidh<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:44 PM<br>To: archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 144, Issue 22<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Greetings Brothers and Sisters of the Bow,<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>What I have to add to the conversation may or may not be of value, but what<br>the heck...<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>As TA Range Marshal at Stierbach Baronial Birthday this past June we had<br>plans for mounted archery (the EQTA only got cut due to time constraints<br>when court was moved up significantly, not because of any safety issues or<br>other issues from EQ or TA). The way EQTA was incorporated was a joint<br>venture between myself the event EQ marshal who also happens to shoot<br>archery (although not a TA marshal). <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Regarding the question of disagreement between the EQ marshal and the TA<br>marshal on the range.... The way her and I set out to run the range was to<br>set up my archery range with lanes for EQ. She advised on the lanes and<br>their EQ specific safety zones. I then backed that into my TA range and my<br>safety zones. Her and I discussed and agreed that she would be the EQ<br>marshal present and I would be the TA marshal present. Meaning, if I saw a<br>TA safety issue, I called it. Being ignorant of EQ regulations, she was<br>responsible for calling EQ issues or holds (clearly, anyone can call a hold,<br>but the buck stopped with her and I). We also agreed ahead of time that the<br>horses and riders being guests on the TA range meant that *my* say was final<br>on *my* range. I did not foresee any major issues, because her and I are<br>both safety conscious, and I am confident we would have erred on the side of<br>caution and backed each other up. <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>All of that said, I would like to see an add-on to the marshal classes for<br>both TA and EQ that bring in the other discipline to get a safety 101 on<br>each other's art for just such events so that I would have been informed and<br>knowledgeable about the calls she would be making regarding the horses and<br>vice versa. I do not feel I need to get a warrant in EQ to assist with<br>EQTA, BUT taking the safety class would sure be helpful. <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Maybe taking the safety class and passing the test but not doing three<br>events is a happy-medium for cross-discipline safety training? <br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div>Yours in Service,<br>Lady Esa inghean Donnchaidh <br>Chancellor of the Exchequer of the fair Canton of Abhainn Iarthair<br><div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br>Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br>http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org<br><div><br></div> <br><div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br>Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br>http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org<br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>