<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div> </div><div>Just as a point of courtesy for those who may not know: you *will* see some riflestock crossbows at Pennsic. Our ruling against is Atlantia specific only. So don't jump someone who brings you a riflestock during inspections. And no snarky remarks either ;)<br><br>Cheers<br>Fen</div><div> </div><div><font color="#4040ff">Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.</font></div><div> </div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Wednesday, June
18, 2014 9:10 AM, Siegfried <siegfried@crossbows.biz> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">On 6/18/14, 4:47 AM, Garth Groff wrote:<br>> So now, lets shift this discussion a bit. Our rules also prohibit<br>> "non-period trackless crossbows". While I haven't searched these<br>> diligently, all the images and photos I've seen are from the 17th<br>> century or later.<br>[...]<br>> All the 17th and 18th century trackless crossbows I've found in images<br>> are "stone bows"<br>[...]<br>> The 20th/21st century adaptations I've seen<br>> remove the slingshot-style pocket, and substitute a plain string for<br>> (apparently) bolts with large-sized nocks. If we could find a pre-17th<br>> century example of one of these bows adapted for bolts, could it serve<br>> as a prototype for a legal weapon<br><br>Also, they exist :) VERY late period, but close enough that one can<br>extrapolate.
As you state, they look just like a stone bow, but are<br>designed in such a way as to be used with an arrow.<br><br>In fact, one could even make something that visually looks just like a<br>stonebow, but just modify it to take bolts, and use the: "I wanted a<br>stonebow but our targets aren't designed to score a pellet hitting them,<br>only an arrow"<br><br>And you'd be perfectly fine. You would have a period, or at least<br>period-looking crossbow. Without any modern benefits. (In fact, there<br>are some rather solid drawbacks because of physics about that style of bow).<br><br>I have a photo stored .... somewhere around here, of a late 16th century<br>crossbow that was designed with two prods, and to fire 2 bolts. One<br>sat on a normal track. The other one had a separate prod, that was<br>VERY bend upwards into the sky ... And then there was a raised post at<br>front and back, that a bolt would be supported in,
that this second prod<br>shot.<br><br>> or are they prohibited as a class for some safety reason?<br><br>No, not at all.<br><br>Realize that with most of our rules (that one in particular, which goes<br>hand-in-hand with the 'no center shot crossbows') ... Are designed to do<br>one of two things:<br><br>either:<br><br>1. Keep the game fair, by disallowing modern technology/conveniences.<br> or<br>2. Make sure we still appear medieval, since we ARE supposed to be doing<br>re-enactment.<br><br>That specific rule in question here (again, along with it's "no center<br>shot" counterpart) ... Are an attempt to ban the modern target<br>crossbows. There are modern target crossbows, which are still not<br>compounds (by modern rules which disallow that, just like with Olympic<br>Recurves) ... Which cost upwards of $5000, and are designed to have<br>'same hole accuracy' at 300 yards.<br><br>Obviously, that's not in the spirit of the
game here. Besides being<br>made to exactly gun-level-standards out of all modern materials ...<br><br>They specifically make use of two features to achieve this:<br><br>1. They have a design of a 'floating track', that allows zero friction<br>on the string as there is no track for the string to ride upon.<br> AND<br>2. They have their prod split in half, and the bolt passing through the<br>middle of it. Meaning that it's extremely efficient, and has zero<br>'archers paradox' type effects on the bolts.<br><br>Those rules are designed to keep those crossbows (sometimes<br>ineffectively because of certain kingdoms rulings about them), off our<br>medieval fields.<br><br>In Service,<br>Siegfried<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust, OP - Atlantia<br><a href="http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/" target="_blank">http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/</a>- <a href="http://crossbows.biz/" target="_blank">http://crossbows.biz/</a>-
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