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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you Master Jonathas it saved me from reposting it </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alright well I feel better about the proposal then and fully support that. I guess what got me going was the head of the IKAC was trying to propose rules changes to each Kingdom when it comes to safety which I believe is up to each Kingdom to enforce. I found that strange instead of guidance for equipment types, no plastic nocks, etc….. Maybe Im just all fired up this week for some reason? Thank you all for the help with this one!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In Service,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> james.kriebel@gmail.com [mailto:james.kriebel@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathas<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Nardone<br><b>Cc:</b> Archery List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Possible rules changes for IKAC's<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Sorry, meant to reply to the entire list with this...<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Quite the opposite, the proposed rule (which is the last line) is intended to disallow only the modern style of trigger/lock mechanism, ie the ones we have been complaining about at Pennsic. The current rule (which is the second line) can be misread to disallow tickler style triggers by someone not overly familiar with crossbows and the different definitions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In the Period Crossbow Division Sir Jon is after the same thing we are, getting rid of the restocked modern crossbows.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Jonathas<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Jay Nardone <<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net" target="_blank">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Good evening my friends. Not sure how many of you have been following the posts on yahoo or Facebook about this topic so I decided to repost it here. I will go on record and say I have already made my posts completely against Sir John’s thoughts. This would essentially ban most of the crossbows we shoot in our Kingdom from IKAC’s which is crazy! What he calls “the tickler” is the style trigger most of us are shooting. Since I have been in the SCA both fighting and Target I can’t think of one accidental discharge I have ever witnessed due to someone being careless with the trigger. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In Service,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#333333'>·</span><span lang=EN style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#333333'> </span><b><span lang=EN style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#333333'>This is regarding a possible change to the IKAC rules for Period Crossbow. The rules currently read. <br><br>"To be counted as a period style crossbow all the following conditions must be met: 1) The stock must be made of wood. 2) It may not have a rifle-style butt. 3) It may not have a modern style lock (period forms of self-resetting mechanisms are fine, however) or a trigger. 4) It may not have sights."<br><br>Part 3: can be read as to not allow any form of trigger. When I first wrote the rules, the intent was not to allow any form of "modern" release mechanism or any "modern" trigger. The definition of "trigger" is: "a small device that releases a spring or catch and so sets off a mechanism, esp. in order to fire a gun." The way it currently reads it can also be read to not allow a tickler, the long lever style that runs parallel to the crossbow stock which acts as a trigger to the rolling nut, pin or claw. It also does not allow the use of late per...iod 1400's through 1500's multi axle lock mechanisms that used the short trigger, perpendicular to the stock, as in guns of that period. This type of release was common on the better late period target crossbows and the trigger was protected by a trigger guard. Some of these guards can be mistaken for a tickler because they resemble them and others look like the trigger guard on a hand gun. <br><br>The Keeper of the IKAC felt feel that discussion at SCA Archery on Yahoo previously, had indicated that the use of triggers on crossbows was thought to be unsafe and that it should not be allowed. My opinion is that the use of a trigger with a trigger guard is safer than the use of a tickler style trigger or even a thumb lever located on the top of the stock, because they are not protected and can be accidentally bumped and the lock released. <br><br>I would like to hear your opinions on this. Should the rule be changed next year to say "3) It may not have a modern style lock (period forms of self-resetting mechanisms are fine, however) or a modern trigger.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>