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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now where is that dammed “grunt” translator? :P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Atkins [mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Janyn Fletcher'; 'Jonathas'; archers@atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can see only one MAJOR problem with this suggestion……………wait for it………………………………….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unk and Oog can’t read! Can you send pictures??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hahahahahahahahaha<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cog for Unk who is illiterate…………….but a damned fine hunter!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Janyn Fletcher<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 08, 2013 5:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jonathas'; <a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I thank you Master Jonathas for the offer and I ask that our Atlatl contingency take him up on this offer. I would like to get real data and feedback from both the 80cm and 122cm targets before making a final decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In Service,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathas<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The suggestion of a trial period is actually a good one though a much shorter period would probably be better so that a final solution can be found and real scores begin to be recorded. To that end at Dun Carraig's Birthday Aug 31 (aka Lochmere Arrow Shoot) the site has plenty of space, I would gladly bring the 122cm target I already have and acquire a 80cm for comparison sake. Then at least the northern atlatl crowd could do a trial run of several different proposals, if a southern event could do the same thing in the very near future there would be a good baseline of actual experience with the proposals fresh in everyone's minds to hopefully come to a final decision on this discussion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Jonathas<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Siegfried <<a href="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz" target="_blank">siegfried@crossbows.biz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you have it, a piece of cardboard on the back ... really helps<br>longevity of this target. as it keeps the foam from 'cone coring' (if<br>you know what I mean) upon impact.<br><br>Siegfried<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On 8/6/13 9:51 PM, Jonathas wrote:<br>> I have a 122 made up as Siegfried suggested. A 4x8 sheet of foam cut in<br>> half, doubled up, and the target taped on. I will gladly bring it to<br>> the Lochmere Arrow shoot if some of the atlatl throwers (and some of the<br>> new throwers) would like to give it a try.<br>><br>> (Someone please remind me of this when we get closer!)<br>><br>> Jonathas<br>><br>> On Aug 6, 2013 6:45 PM, "Jay Nardone" <<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Okay good discussions, let's keep them going. So it sounds like we<br>> need to<br>> come to agreement on the target size between the 80 and 122. Again<br>> Im not<br>> interesting in making it so hard that it runs folks off or so easy<br>> it isn't<br>> fun. I know we in Bright Hills could accommodate the 80cm with the<br>> current<br>> butts we have, as Master Siegfried said the 122's would take some<br>> effort to<br>> accommodate but Im liking the increased chances for beginners. I<br>> know again<br>> as a beginner they won't make much difference for me. :)<br>><br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>>] On Behalf Of<br>> Siegfried<br>> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:59 PM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules<br>><br>> Reyne, let me give a couple counter-thoughts (as an atlatl-thrower,<br>> but not<br>> 'seasoned')<br>><br>> > An 80cm target face (thanks,<br>> > Siegfried) should be fine.<br>><br>> The bigger problem I see with this (though otherwise fine idea). Is<br>> that<br>> it's going to be a bit harder to handle an 80cm. 80cm on the<br>> ground, looks<br>> small, and hurts people's backs ;) You'd ideally want an 80cm to be<br>> elevated. But our 'usual' stands and butts won't hold a target the<br>> size of<br>> an 80cm.<br>><br>> > Having shot at a 120cm target, I can tell you, it's huge, and people<br>> > might have trouble accommodating it.<br>><br>> Other than transportation (truck needed for back), it's actually easier,<br>> IMO, to create a quick butt for a 122cm, and plop it on the ground.<br>> And the<br>> size of it is designed to really 'sit on the ground' anyway.<br>><br>> So, my counter-thought is: Given the two options, the 80cm will<br>> take some<br>> effort in creating custom holders/stands/butts to accomodate. But<br>> the 122cm<br>> is easy to throw foam behind and stick on the ground. So actually,<br>> the 122<br>> is 'easier' (In a weird way, I grant you)<br>><br>> > It'd be<br>> > a whole lot easier to hit, certainly, but is that really the purpose<br>> > of a RR?<br>><br>> Yes. In a way. The purpose of a RR, is to be able to gauge your<br>> skill, and<br>> gauge your continual improvement of the skill.<br>><br>> To that end, it doesn't behoove us to have a set of rules/equipment,<br>> that<br>> encourage, for example, scores of '0'. With a bow, at 20yards, and<br>> a days<br>> worth of training ... an archer can score a non-zero RR. They now<br>> have a<br>> baseline to watch their growth.<br>><br>> a 122cm target for atl-atl, should provide the same, that a 'days<br>> training'<br>> person can score, a non-0 round. And then watch their score grow as<br>> their<br>> skill does.<br>><br>> Yet, hopefully never quite reach that pinnicle of the 'perfect score'.<br>><br>> 80cm increases the chance of someone being 'stuck' at 0 for a while, and<br>> potentially losing hope / frustration rising that they can't 'ever get<br>> better'.<br>><br>> Siegfried<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust, OP - Baron Highland Foorde - Atlantia<br>> <a href="http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/" target="_blank">http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/</a> - <a href="http://crossbows.biz/" target="_blank">http://crossbows.biz/</a> - <a href="http://eliw.com/" target="_blank">http://eliw.com/</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Archers mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>> <a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Archers mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>> <a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>><br><br>--<br>Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust, OP - Baron Highland Foorde - Atlantia<br><a href="http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/" target="_blank">http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/</a> - <a href="http://crossbows.biz/" target="_blank">http://crossbows.biz/</a> - <a href="http://eliw.com/" target="_blank">http://eliw.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>