<div dir="ltr">I think <font face="arial, sans-serif">Jonathas summed it up perfectly. I would like to say there is One or Two individulas that are using illegal crossbows at Pennsic and they should not be allowed to use them. The Society says no center cut prods. I believe these crossbows are two peice prods and are center cut as well. Every where else in marshall activity strict guidelines are followed and if you are using a weapon that is not allowed at the Society level you can't use them. Just saying.</font><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">Seamus</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian<br>
Archery (Cameron deGrey)<br>
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3. Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery (Fen & Michelle)<br>
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:34:21 -0400<br>
From: Cameron deGrey <<a href="mailto:camerondegrey@gmail.com">camerondegrey@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: John Atkins <<a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a>><br>
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Just to pile on. When I was on the line and I saw a completely modern<br>
crossbow, my inital relfex was, "WTF is that even doing... SQUIRREL!"<br>
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:51 AM, John Atkins <<a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I totally agree with Jonathas? comment below. In my area the single<br>
> activity that has brought more people into this silly club is archery. I<br>
> like to think it?s because you don?t have to go through a lengthy<br>
> authorization process, though I fully understand why and support it for<br>
> heavy and rapier. I think it is also because the archery community is a<br>
> welcoming community. How many times have I seen an archer of high skill,<br>
> i.e. Colum, Seamus, Lorelei to name a few, put their bows down to help a<br>
> newer person improve. A serious contrast to my combat archer days where<br>
> the heavies actually played ?volley ball? with a catapult ?rock? on a field<br>
> of arrows (wooden shafts in those days) with the prime objective of<br>
> stepping on as many arrows as possible.****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> cog****<br>
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> ** **<br>
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> *From:* <a href="mailto:james.kriebel@gmail.com">james.kriebel@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:james.kriebel@gmail.com">james.kriebel@gmail.com</a>] *On<br>
> Behalf Of *Jonathas<br>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 07, 2013 8:44 AM<br>
> *To:* Christophe Of Gray; <a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
> *Subject:* RE: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and<br>
> Atlantian Archery****<br>
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> ** **<br>
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> > Cog<br>
> ><br>
> > PS: [Jonathas authorized comment to follow] In the days of the<br>
> challenge seasonal shoot cog actually out shot Jonathas. The challenge was<br>
> shooting at a soda bottle with a weapon not usually used. Thus Jonathas<br>
> shot with a handbow and cog shot with a crossbow! But now days cog can<br>
> still pull a REAL bow so chooses to shoot handbow. Hahahahahahaha I love<br>
> it that we can joke like this and still have a deep respect for each<br>
> other. I really mean that!<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >****<br>
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> I must hang my head and admit it, I was out shot by CoG :(<br>
> But that's ok 'cause it was a fun shoot :)****<br>
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> Joking aside, that is what I love about Atlantian Archery, at any given<br>
> shoot anyone *can* beat anyone else. And while everyone is as competitive<br>
> as hell everyone enjoys the fun of the sport, you don't see the pissing and<br>
> moaning that is frequent at some modern competitions.****<br>
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> Jonathas ****<br>
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:26:05 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Charles Sprouse <<a href="mailto:sprousecp@yahoo.com">sprousecp@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: Cameron deGrey <<a href="mailto:camerondegrey@gmail.com">camerondegrey@gmail.com</a>>, John Atkins<br>
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Atlantian Archery<br>
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Calling for squirrel won't help you Cameron, his is just as bad in my opinion.?? That whole group's x-bows are modern bows, plain and simple...<br>
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Karl<br>
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From: Cameron deGrey <<a href="mailto:camerondegrey@gmail.com">camerondegrey@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: John Atkins <<a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery<br>
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Just to pile on. When I was on the line and I saw a completely modern crossbow, my inital relfex was, "WTF is that even doing... SQUIRREL!"<br>
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:51 AM, John Atkins <<a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I totally agree with Jonathas? comment below.? In my area the single activity that has brought more people into? this silly club is archery.? I like to think it?s because you don?t have to go through a lengthy authorization process, though I fully understand why and support it for heavy and rapier.? I think it is also because the archery community is a welcoming community.? How many times have I seen an archer of high skill, i.e. Colum, Seamus, Lorelei to name a few, put their bows down to help a newer person improve.? A serious contrast to my combat archer days where the heavies actually played ?volley ball? with a catapult ?rock? on a field of arrows (wooden shafts in those days) with the prime objective of stepping on as many arrows as possible.<br>
>?<br>
>cog<br>
>?<br>
><a href="mailto:From%3Ajames.kriebel@gmail.com">From:james.kriebel@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:james.kriebel@gmail.com">james.kriebel@gmail.com</a>] On Behalf Of Jonathas<br>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 8:44 AM<br>
>To: Christophe Of Gray; <a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
>Subject: RE: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery<br>
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>> Cog ?<br>
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>> PS:? [Jonathas authorized comment to follow]? In the days of the challenge seasonal shoot cog actually out shot Jonathas.? The challenge was shooting at a soda bottle with a weapon not usually used.? Thus Jonathas shot with a handbow and cog shot with a crossbow!? But now days cog can still pull a REAL bow so chooses to shoot handbow.? Hahahahahahaha ?I love it that we can joke like this and still have a deep respect for each other.? I really mean that!<br>
>><br>
>> ?<br>
>><br>
>I must hang my head and admit it, I was out shot by CoG :(<br>
>But that's ok 'cause it was a fun shoot :)<br>
>Joking aside, that is what I love about Atlantian Archery, at any given shoot anyone *can* beat anyone else. And while everyone is as competitive as hell everyone enjoys the fun of the sport, you don't see the pissing and moaning that is frequent at some modern competitions.<br>
>Jonathas<br>
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From: Fen & Michelle <<a href="mailto:mobishob@yahoo.com">mobishob@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: John Atkins <<a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a>"<br>
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Thats welcome news. I would rather lose a *close* shoot every year than stomp them. The more competitive, the more fun.<br>
If you rout your enemies every year by huge margins, you wind up occupying barren terrain.<br>
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Cheers<br>
Fen<br>
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Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.<br>
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From: John Atkins <<a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:31 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Pennsic and Atlantian Archery<br>
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I will share a brief discussion I had with one of the prime range marshals at Pennsic this year.? Those who have been to the archery range at Pennsic in past years and particularly been part of the Champion?s Shoot know of the intense competition between the East and Mid.? For many of us, this has been a major downer to archery at Pennsic.? My personal feeling is if you win by one point you won and neither side feels bad.? I see no reason to totally stomp the competition, the perspective in past years.? As a friend from Trimaris who was frustrated with the rapier community there once said to me ?This is a hobby.? When it is no longer fun I will take myself and my money and go elsewhere.?? Those who kept this intense competition between the Mid and East have moved on and been replaced by others who see no need to continue that feeling.? There will always be frustrations setting and running a range at Pennsic due to size and multiple<br>
kingdoms, but Godric, East, left me with the impression that he feels the thought process of old is out and a process of getting along in a friendly competitive environment is the new norm.<br>
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I personally welcome it!? It?s a better fit for the archery community.<br>
?<br>
cog<br>
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From:Fen & Michelle [mailto:<a href="mailto:mobishob@yahoo.com">mobishob@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:03 AM<br>
To: John Atkins; 'Jonathas'; <a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Crossbow Triggers - was: Re: Pennsic and Atlantian Archery<br>
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Well, having returned from retaining duties at Court?over the last 2 years (and getting?decent exposure to other actvities and groups) I have to say that we don't fully appreciate how lucky we are. Atlantia Archery is *very* inclusive, low drama, low maintenance and casual compared to the rest.<br>
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I know we sometimes wish Kingdom would show us more love, but being "away" out on the back 40 has its advantages too!? :)<br>
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Cheers<br>
Fen<br>
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