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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you your Excellency. I do not know all of the names but I know Lorelei had talked with the MIC. The story kept changing as well and I know Lorelei had spent quite a bit of time talking with the MIC because it just didn’t make sense. I offered my services and was turned down as well which I take a slap in the face. I couldn’t go anyway but I wanted to test the waters. I understand my office but again I fail to see how a MIC can refuse a DEM of that activity, it just makes no sense and no use of any process in place for that activity. I guess the bigger concern I had as well is that the Autocrat caved to the MIC as well, but I’m sure they didn’t want to cross any lines as well. I have to agree that I won’t be headed to that event anytime soon. Most of the discussion was on Facebook under the Ymir posting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In Service,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> deallac@juno.com [mailto:deallac@juno.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 25, 2013 8:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> janynfletcher@comcast.net<br><b>Cc:</b> sprousecp@yahoo.com; archers@atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Ymir question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Janyn,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is the first that I have heard of this problem, but it appears that you handled <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>it beautifully, if not as successfully as would have been hoped for.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am not asking that you reveal anything, but were you told which marshals the <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MiC trusts? If so, have you contacted them to find out if they know why the MiC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>is being so picky? We have many very senior and very experienced marshals<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>who may have been willing to step up if asked (as was noted by your note of<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Saphir's offer).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I agree that this situation is ridiculous, but as Otto pointed out, there is nothing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>that either your office or his can do to force an autocrat or MiC to include any <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>specific activity :(<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As to your Office, as a past DEM for Archery and current DEM for TW, your <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>real job is to encourage the activity and maintain a safe activity (via training<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>of marshals, archers, etc....). You can offer services, but it they are refused,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>there is really nothing that can be done.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was unlikely to be going to Ymir this year even before hearing this, but<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>after this, I wouldn't go, or if someone convinced me for some other reason,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would not do anything to assist the MiC (I am also warranted as a marshal<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>for CA, Heavy, and Rapier)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just curious, where did this discussion occur? There was reference to<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>some group.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>YIS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dealla<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>---------- Original Message ----------<br>From: "Janyn Fletcher" <<a href="mailto:janynfletcher@comcast.net">janynfletcher@comcast.net</a>><br>To: "'Charles Sprouse'" <<a href="mailto:sprousecp@yahoo.com">sprousecp@yahoo.com</a>>, "'Archery List'" <<a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Ymir question<br>Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:00:08 -0500<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I knew this would eventually come up and I am actually shocked it took this long :P</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Some of you might not know that archery at Ymir this year was canceled by the MIC. When I was first made aware of this about a week and a half ago, I posted inquiring why this was the case. I was also given some direct information from some of the marshal’s that have run archery in years past. I will keep this generic for discussion sake. I was first told that the MIC canceled archery “due to lack of interest.” His words….This is what really got the hair on the back of my neck to stand up, and I also posted about this because I didn’t believe this for a second! As I dug into the situation I found out that the MIC who started the conversation with “I have been MIC for the last 15 years…” admitted that he only trusted a handful of marshals to run archery and those few were unavailable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I respectfully posted back that I was the DEM for TA in Atlantia and all of my marshals are “trusted” by me or they would not be marshals. The response was something nonsensical like “these are live fire ranges.” Which had me scratching my head because all of our ranges are live fire ranges. I posted back to that effect and there was no movement. I believe at that point Saphir graciously offered to round up some marshal’s so the activity could continue. A few days passed and the MIC posted that after failing to contact anyone he trusted, he decided to cancel the activity. I once again posted and frankly I was not happy. I posted that this should never happen in Atlantia and I was going to take it to the Kingdom. A challenge was posted back to me to do what I needed to do.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I sent a message to Sir Otto our Earl Marshal and sent the message trail to him as well. He responded these words:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It is sad that Master Gaston cannot find an acceptable MiC for Target Archery.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regardless of the outcome, Master Gaston has the responsibility to find MICs that are mutually acceptable to him, the group's seneschal and the event's autocrat. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>There is nothing that my office can do force an event to hold archery (or any specific martial activity for that matter.) Your point of appeal for this year’s Ymir would be to go to either the autocrat, Lady Dyrfinna Frevithadottir or to the group’s seneschal, Lord Adelric Falke and make your case to them. I have included them in this reply.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To help for future years, maybe you can work with Master Gaston to instill a greater degree of confidence in the other capable target archery marshals that we have avalible.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>YiS,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Otto</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am just dumbfounded and frankly at a loss for words that a (any) MIC can overrule the DEM of the Kingdom and even more so that it was turned around on me to make this person “more comfortable.” I never heard a word from the Autocrat which really owns the event and this MIC works for. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wanted to write the King and Queen but after discussion with my deputy and past DEM’s it was decided it was probably not wise. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am still upset over this situation as it is a real slap in my face and the archery communities face collectively. I never made this personal and simply felt it was my job to not take this quietly. Somehow I think I have gotten myself in a pinch once again simply because I am passionate and active in our community. I’m really wondering what the effectively of my office is if we can be over ruled by pretty much everyone?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I believe there is strength in numbers and if this offends you, I would encourage you all to make it known. Safety is ALWAYS our number one concern and the decision of who provides that safety and how should come from the activity Marshallate, which I was never given the chance to do. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I will promise you all that I will try to not let this type of thing happen again but without support I don’t see how I can be effective to do so? I’m sorry I have let you all down!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In Service,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>] <strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>On Behalf Of </span></strong>Charles Sprouse<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></strong> Friday, January 25, 2013 5:42 PM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></strong> Archery List<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></strong> [Archers] Ymir question</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='color:black'>So, random question.... </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Am I the only one who was totally toked to finally get to go to Ymir this year and now am not going at all because they couldn't find "an archery marshal the MIC could trust with such an inherently dangerous activity"??</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='color:black'>KvK</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>