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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hhmmmmm, FYI </span>Eirik, this is exactly the theme for the Atlatl portion during MAAD! <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Marco<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 10, 2012 5:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Archers] Atl-atl<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Just throwing my opinions into the ring...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We should keep in mind that atl-atls originally were used on targets ranging from elephant-sized (paleolithic) to horse-and-rider (vs. the Conquistadors). Of the alternatives already suggested, I would favor 20-30-40 distances for ease of setup and running the range, and the larger 120 cm or 4x4 square target face. Though targets of life-size megafauna at ranges up to clout distances could be a fun themed shoot some time for both bow and atl-atl...People will miss at 40, but I miss at the 40 with a bow all the time, yet keep coming back for more. 10 yards is too close, in my opinion, because with the length of the dart alone you've already closed 20% of the distance to the target. If you're that close, you should just run up to the target and spear it by hand :)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think people have 3 darts simply because that's the unit that the folks selling them have chosen to bundle them in. If the round required 6, they would be sold 6 at a time. Having made both arrows and darts, I think darts actually are a lot easier to make because there are fewer parts (no separate nocks), and they fly fine with 2 flu-flu style feathers that don't need to be trimmed in profile.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It seems like it would make sense to make the RR consist of 6 darts at each distance, so people who only have 3 can throw twice to score while the archers shoot an IKAC round. I think as the atl-atl becomes more popular, people will own more darts, just as most of us have well over the 6+ arrows we need (OK, cog and others need 10+ on the speed rounds, but 6 is sufficient for us mere humans). I think the atl-atl round should involve the same number of shots as with a bow, as this would keep the RR score categories the same and minimize confusion. It is fine with me if no one can attain GBE with the atl-atl for a few years. Right now most of the atl-atl equipment I see has a lot of room for development (does anyone match their atl-atl shafts for spine and weight? not to my knowledge). When the equipment gets better, accuracy will improve.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anyway, that's probably a long enough ramble for the moment. It's great to think that we will be seeing more atl-atl action on the range.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eirik Gralokkr<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>