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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=953391021-14092012>I
fully agree with point 1 below. After all the SAADs we have held "down
South" I have NEVER actually shot the entire event. That's OK by me 'cuz
everyone else is having such a good time, but the point is I'm always more
involved in the actual running of it than the shooting or participating of
it. But Pennsic is vacation for most folks who only get two weeks off from
their job. So being able to actually shoot and participate instead of
"work" is what a vacation is supposed to be all about!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=953391021-14092012>As for
the KWAC, is that a sound ducks make? KWAC, KWAC, KWAC, Yeah! Back
to the subject................HEY! That could be the logo/device for the
event! I need therapy....... Anyway, as for KWAC, if held at Pennsic
politics will be involved. They are not insurmountable but they will be
involved in it's organization. Let's keep the conversation going about it
and make it happen. Just one more way Atlantia can lead the Known
World.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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would like to add some clarity to the discussion if I may. No where along the
discussion was it ever mentioned that we not continue to either organize and
run or support the SSB. My original post was stating that I felt it was time
for the East or Mid to step up and run it next year as was originally
discussed when we started this shoot. I wanted to do this for two
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
would like to give our marshal’ and archers a chance to actually shoot and
enjoy the event for once. Yeah yeah I hear you all that we should have
plenty of help but we don’t and we didn’t. Once again this year the core
group of marshal’s including myself where out there all day long and didn’t
shoot the event. We actually only had 7 marshals from other kingdoms
volunteer to help us this year. We needed 70+ marshals to fill the 2 hour
time slots that Baroness Martelle lined up and we had 28 total from
Atlantia. So no I don’t want to have to ask any of you again unless the
shoot is in jeopardy of not happening<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
wanted to focus my attention on the KWAC as it is going to take more than
one year to plan, arrange and prepare for. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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yes I fully support SSB continuing but I want one of the other Kingdoms to
pick it up. As I also stated if I get any feeling that they are not
interested or going to do a less than stellar job I would ask to pull it
back to Atlantia. We will see as we get later into the year. Also if we do
have to take it back again for the 3<SUP>rd</SUP> year, I would like to see
more marshal’s and target builders that have not helped in the past 2 years
join the team.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
target=_blank>archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
target=_blank>archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>John Atkins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 14, 2012 1:46
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
target=_blank>archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Archers] Known World stuff - follow up<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Having
spent my afternoon reading all 1000 plus emails, I am now, mostly, up to
date on this discussion. As past SSBs have been a, somewhat, joint
effort of all kingdoms attending Pennsic, or at least offered to all, I see
no reason that concept can not be continued. As for who is the actual
lead kingdom, I think rotating it is a good idea. My main caveat to
that is that the quality as set by Atlantian be maintained. But if
other kingdoms are sharing/trading off the actually organization and running
there isn't much Atlantia can do to enforce quality other than have
input. But advice is like.........well we have all heard that
comment! So let us hope that Atlantia has set the bar at a level the
other kingdoms will strive to at least achieve if not
excel!</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As
for the KWAC, I see no reason this competition could not be done and should
not be done in a multi-kingdom mode as well. The other model for this
is the Known World Scribal Symposium. This event rotates around all
the kingdoms in the SCA. My lady and I attended one in London,
England. More recently, it was held right in our backyard in North
Carolina. No reason the KWAC could not be done in similar
fashion. If an archer is really just dying to prove to the known world
they are the best, then they travel to where it is being held. Kinda
like Olympic athletes. You go where the competition
is.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
target=_blank>archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A> [<A
href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
target=_blank>mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>John Atkins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 14, 2012 12:47
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Holly Gibbons'; <A
href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
target=_blank>archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Archers] Known World stuff</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just
returning for three weeks out of country, so if this has been covered or
seems behind the discussion, apologies.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
think Atlantia continuing with the St. Sebastian shoot at Pennsic is the
best idea. I am one of those archers who could, given a good year,
perhaps qualify to be on the "Masters Team" but in recent years have
chosen to step aside and not shoot. My primary reason for this is
twofold. 1 - I do not shoot well when we shoot 6 shafts for high
accuracy then wait 30 - 45 minutes or more to shoot the next
station. 2 - More often than not the shooting stations are not very
interesting! While that may sound harsh, about any archery at any
event in Atlantia has MUCH more interesting shooting stations. It's
my vacation and I would like to be challenged AND have fun. I view
the SSB shoot as Atlantia showing the rest of the known world how to set
up and run an interesting novelty shoot that EVERYONE can enjoy. I
realize doing this shoot is a lot of work but hearing the comments of
those who participate makes it all worth the hassles. I would hope
that the other kingdoms are learning from Atlantia how to set up a large
scale interesting shoot (apologies if that sounds arrogant but Atlantia
has proven we can do a large scale interesting
shoot!).</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As
for "cog's dog and pony show" (argg!!) my original thought was to
pattern the shoot after the GET at Gulf Wars. At that event/war,
archers qualify on site on the archery range in the days leading up
to the GET. The GET shoot then represents the "best of the best" who
have shot at that war and is moved to the main battle field so the
populous can watch. Thus using things like RR scores, royal's
favorites, or "those that always shoot" fall to the wayside and those who
have actually shot the best in the preceding days at that war are those
who qualify. Running even 100 archers through a shoot, even using
multiple targets, could be very time consuming. As the idea is to
bring archery out of the back 40 located in Ohio ( :-) ) at Pennsic,
the shoot has to be coordinated with the battle field
schedule/usage. That typically means in the later afternoon and done
somewhat quickly.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So
I think the idea of Atlantian maintaining the SSB and continued discussion
of the Known World Championship is still
valid.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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