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I would really like to think that, as archers, we could keep
politics out of it, but apparently not.<br>
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barre<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/7/2012 9:21 AM, Holly Gibbons
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this past year,
but this one really caught my eye.<o:p></o:p></font></div>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri">First off, I
think we need to remember our history
as we go forward in the planning for a known world
championship. The discussions
on this whole topic really got going a long time ago, on the
archers’ list, in
the fall of 2010. I recall that it was Fen and I that first
wrote and were soon
joined by all the others of you who were unhappy with the
archery experience at
Pennsic. The motivation for running a shoot parallel but
different from the “champions’
team” was plain and simple unhappiness with the status quo.
Every year at
Pennsic archers from all over the known world gathered and
wanted to play their
game and compete against each other, compete against archers
from all across
the kingdoms. We watched as the Thrown Weapons folks had a
ton of fun running
their championships and we wondered, why can’t archers have
the same fun? Yet,
year after year, the Mid and East controlled everything and
severely limited
the number of Atlantians that could shoot the champions team
war point. Most
really good Atlantian archers were left shooting only the
populace targets day
after day. Not much fun and not happy. There was just
horrendous bad karma surrounding
the whole champions shoot. So bad that it was totally
turning off many of
Atlantia’s best archers from participating at all - - some
didn’t even take
their bows to Pennsic! So in the fall/winter of 2010, since
we had no control
over the official Pennsic stuff, we all decided to put on
our own shoot. At
that time, I was one of the ones in favor of making this
“extra shoot” a Known
World Archery Championship. It made sense to me that since
we were all at
Pennsic and since many archers already traveled for long
distances to be there,
that it was our best shot for a real known world
competition. But in the
discussions on the list, most Atlantians wanted a
non-exclusive, relatively
non-competitive, shoot. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There
was just a
strong sense of “enough with the competition already.” <span
style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So that’s what we did,
we decided to hold an
open, fun, not particularly competitive shoot (although
there were scorecards
and prizes), and we called it St. Sebastian’s Shoot (thanks,
Siegfried!) and purposefully
left out any wording about championship or known world. The
ulterior motives
were to (a) show the known world what kind of wonderful
novelty shoot Atlantia
could put on (b) contribute to Pennsic archery in a positive
way (c)
demonstrate that it is possible to run 150 or more people
through a novelty
shoot in one day, as a way to try to convince the
powers-that-be to open up the
“champions’ team” to a larger size so more Atlantians could
shoot, and (d)to
have fun putting on a shoot together. <span
style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So
for two Pennsics we have put on St. Sebastian’s Shoot, with
great success as
measured by the smiles, the children, the amazing targets,
the “thank-you” comments,
and the sense of happiness and camaraderie on the archery
range. I have been
really proud to be an Atlantian Archer, as I’m sure many of
you have been, too.
All the other stuff has somehow become moot. I felt no
compunction to do any
other shooting, nor any bad karma during my vacation. <o:p></o:p></font></div>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri">Which leads me
to the present discussions. After
strongly opposing any mention of “known world” or
“championship” for our big
Pennsic shoot, which lead to the St. Sebastian’s Shoot and
its focus on
inclusiveness, suddenly there was a new push in 2011 for
just that very thing,
an ultra-competitve known world archery championship! So we
then decided on the
archers’ list that it is a big world and there should be
room for everything. I
think it was said there should be room for St. Sebastian’s
on the range and for
cog’s dog-and-pony show at the castle, too - - the more
archery the merrier! And
that’s pretty much where things were left off. After some
discussion of a
symposium, a stand-alone archery event, it dwindled. I do
think it is most
sensible to attach any “known world” event to Pennsic, just
the most logical
choice.<o:p></o:p></font></div>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri">That said, the
present talk right now is of a
known world championship consisting of another novelty,
multi-target shoot with
archers keeping their own score and then a shootout at the
end. I am afraid we are
reinventing the wheel here. But much more troubling to me,
as someone who has
worked hard on the two St. Sebastian’s Shoots, is the
revelation in the new
posting that somehow, unilaterally, St. Sebastian’s Shoot
has gotten scrapped
by the authorities. The East has been informed that we do
not want to hold St.
Sebastian’s next year? Was there a consensus on this? Whose
decision is this to
make? Janyn? I disagree that the “original” intent was to
hand off the shoot to
other kingdoms. That was never in my understanding of it.
Yes, it is great if
other kingdoms wanted to do that, but there was also quite a
bit of, this is
Atlantia’s baby and we like it that way.<o:p></o:p></font></div>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri">As a public
spectacle, cog’s dog-and-pony show ,
I absolutely love- adore! - the idea of a shootout in front
of the castle. But
I have seen the jockeying and cheating that goes on and I
would say, do not
have a pre-shootout qualifier multi-target
shoot-at-your-own-pace event to pick
teams.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Have any of
you watched the way
they do things at Thrown Weapons? Four competitors in front
of four targets.
Two throws and you rotate. Repeat. When those four are done,
bring on the next
four. Marshals score the hits. It is very efficient, very
public, very fun. If
you really have a crowd of archers to run through in a very
small amount of
time, it could be even more efficient if you only got two or
three arrows,
period. You could have four archers at a time shooting at
each of four
identical targets. Up and out. (Seen Brave?) Then take the
top scorers and have
your shootout. All public, all with a crowd. And we
absolutely could pull this
off in 2013. It’s just not that complicated – that is the
beauty of it. Getting
on the battlefield schedule is the hardest part.<o:p></o:p></font></div>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri">This idea that
you can call for targets from
each kingdom is one that has been bandied about endlessly.
But as every MIC who
has tried it knows, it does not work. How many times have
“target competitions”
been announced -- you know, bring your best target and we
will let the populace
vote on their favorite -- only to have no targets show up? I
won one of those
once because mine was the only target. Someone from the East
actually said, at
Pennsic, that the East would do like to that next year for a
novelty shoot at
Pennsic. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>She
actually said,”we have a
great idea, everybody else will bring the targets and the
people will vote and
we will give prizes but not have to do the work !” It told
her we call it the
lazy MIC shoot. Good luck with that. And even if you can get
targets from every
corner of the earth, who is to put a cohesive shoot together
out of all the
orphan targets?<o:p></o:p></font></div>
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</span></span></span><font face="Calibri">Anyway, I am
writing for several reasons. One, I
hate to see Atlantia walk away from St. Sebastian’s Shoot,
especially without
some kind of public forum on that choice. Two, I like the
public shootout as a
separate stand-alone Pennsic event. Three, I just want to
remind everyone of
all that has led up to this point in time.<o:p></o:p></font></div>
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background-color: transparent;"><span>Good evening everyone,
now that we are back from Pennsic and hopefully well<br>
rested I wanted to take a minute to discuss something with
you. Around this time<br>
last year THL Christophe and I started a discussion about
trying to hold the<br>
first known world archery championship. Our thoughts were
that Pennsic would be<br>
the most opportune place because we could capitalize on all
of the archers there<br>
from the known world. I wanted to start this discussion now
because I firmly<br>
believe that if we start now we will not be ready for
Pennsic next year but we<br>
could target 2014. Also there is no way myself or even a few
of us could pull<br>
this off alone. If COG is willing I would throw my hat and
hopefully his into<br>
the ring to lead this event. With that said, we would need a
lead also for each<br>
kingdom for archery related items, an autocrat like lead to
help with<br>
communications and inter-kingdom discussions and I'm
thinking an exchequer like<br>
lead because I'm thinking we would want to charge a small
fee if we want to get<br>
some very nice prizes. If not we could drop this last
position. In addition we<br>
would need volunteers again to help marshal and make some
targets.<br>
<br>
Unlike St. Sebastian's, I was thinking that each of the
participating kingdoms<br>
could make 2 or 3 targets to enter into the competition.
This part is still<br>
fuzzy but I was thinking that we could hold basically
eliminations by the way of<br>
an all day shoot like St. Sebastian's to pair the teams down
to a final 4. The<br>
whole point of this would then be to have a shoot off of
those final 4 teams in<br>
front of the populous on the battle field (yes I know
scheduling will suck, that<br>
is why we would do this 2 years out), to a final champion
team of the known<br>
world. Team sizes would be 18 -24 and this would be a total
points competition.<br>
This part is also fuzzy still but I was thinking that we
could make it<br>
interesting by making each of the team positions cover GBE,
BE, BOWMAN,<br>
MARKSMAN, etc…<br>
<br>
I have been mentioning this to Lord Godric of the East and
this year while at<br>
the range at Pennsic, I overheard him talking with his
deputy about trying to<br>
start communications about this event. I would love for
Atlantia to pull this<br>
off but I need to know how you all feel and if you're up to
something of this<br>
level? I don't believe for a minute that the East will pull
this together for<br>
next year since they can't seem to even run the St.
Sebastian's as it should be,<br>
but I would hate to lose this shoot to someone else because
we didn't act.<br>
<br>
So, that is that. I just wanted to start the discussion
again over the fall and<br>
winter months to see where our excitement level is? If we
decide to proceed I<br>
will get word to Godric and we would need to form the core
team quickly. That<br>
way we could start to get the word out to the other Kingdoms
and try to get the<br>
logistics in place to lay the foundation. I told the East
that we did not want<br>
to run St. Sebastian's next year because we wanted to move
up to this event. In<br>
all honesty the intent of St. Sebastian's was that Atlantia
would run it the<br>
first year and hand it off to the mid or east to run it next
and then rotate<br>
through so no Kingdom had to repeatedly run it. I took it
back this year because<br>
there was little interest from the east or others to run it
at the level we are<br>
used too. I will still probe the East later this year to
find out what is<br>
happening with the novelty shoot for Pennsic next year. We
can worry about that<br>
later….<br>
<br>
In Service,<br>
<br>
Janyn<br>
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