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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Folks if you go to his site, backyardbowyer.com, and click on Other, then select Youtube you see his videos on how he makes his bows, breakage tests, etc. I’ve been told by others that the poundage is a product of the piping used. Thinner diameter, less poundage, also schedule 40 versus schedule 80.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My first concern was the effect of sun light on PVC piping. My first job out of college was running the marine aquaculture lab for San Diego State University. I learned how to plumb PVC piping from ¼ inch to 10 inch diameter. I KNOW PVC pipe. One major issue with it is that after a year or so in sun light it becomes so brittle that if you step on it, it breaks. He covers this in his videos saying that painting the bow protects it from the damaging UV rays. I bought a piece of pipe to try to make one to test it out. If/when I get it finished and tested I’ll report back.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My main reason from bringing this up is that I am beginning to hear more about these bows from several folks in my area. I expect that we will begin to see these bows showing up on our ranges. We need to decide how we are going to handle them BEFORE that date. i.e. Will we accept them, we will reject them? If we reject them, we need to have a good solid reason for rejection. I recall several years ago an archer took their newly purchased bow to the range at Pennsic where it was rejected. This was one of those $40 black all fiberglass bows and the archer bought it from Elk Ridge Archery which is a very reputable and SCA friendly bowyer. The archer took it back to Elk Ridge and told them what the marshals had said. When Deb, Joe’s wife and co-owner, took the bow back to the range to ask why it was rejected, all they said was “That’s a bad bow”. No justification or reason as to why or what. There was nothing wrong with the bow. I would rather not be in that position with these PVC bows.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just saying,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>cog<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Garth Groff<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] archery loaner gear and equipment program - a thought<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>M'Lord Christophe,<br><br>I went to his site, but didn't see any tutorial on how to build these bows. I'm thinking that the shaping would take some skill, and probably some bending fixtures or jigs. But can they be made in the low poundages usually needed for loaner use (mostly under 30 lbs., often closer to 20)?<br><br>On the safety side, I would really like to shoot some of these bows. They should be thoroughly tested by several experienced marshals (who would probably be waiting in a long line for a turn!) before any decision is made about admitting them to our ranges. I am very concerned by his comments about shattering at various temperatures.<br><br>On the practical side, I see he has added an outside arrow shelf to some of these bows, but others are shot off the hand. Either type would be somewhat difficult for a beginner to master, as opposed to a bow with a cut-in arrow pass.<br><br>There should be no problem admitting a bow like this under questions of authenticity. The rules say, "form and function of pre-17th century archery", or words to that effect. After all, most of us shoot bows made with "Ye Olde Fiberglass".<br><br>Yours Aye,<br><br><br>Mungo<br><br><br><br>On 4/24/2012 9:20 AM, John Atkins wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'>I personally purchased 2 adult and 2 child bows of the all black fiberglass type. I have more than enough “left over” arrows from my personal collection to loan out as well. I specifically selected these bows because they can be shot left or right handed. As most here will know, they run about $35 - $40 each. HOWEVER, I have recently been introduced to a potential much lower cost alternative that could easily provide every single group within our glorious kingdom several loaner bows. Go to backyardbowyer.com and watch some of his videos. He makes bows out of PVC piping and claims them to be up to 50 pound draw weights. They look pretty amazing. He also covers the issues of bow breakage and some of the causes for breakage. So I guess my main purpose of this post is this question – as the Atlantian archery community, how do we feel about these PVC bows?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>cog</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Archers mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>