<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>As someone that sports a scar from 5 stitches in my hand from having a freaky weird accident of a bow breaking in my hand and I still after 2 years occassionally have pain in my hand too my opinion is that we need to make sure these bows are safe AND reliable before letting newbies or anyone at all use them. </span></div><div><span>My question would be if there was any way in on the range to determine of the PVC is stressed and ready to break and if there is, would a marshal be able to determine if it is painted too?</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I would hate to see anyone injured out on the range by one of these bows or see a newbie's enthuiasm crushed because of it.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Regards-</span></div><div><span>Nichola</span></div><div><br></div> <div
style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Garth Groff <ggg9y@virginia.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:15 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Archers] archery loaner gear and equipment program - a thought<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv190840439">
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Lord Christophe,<br>
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Our only reason for rejecting them should be safety, since they
otherwise meet our rather relaxed requirements for form and
function. As these aren't factory-made bows with (hopefully)
consistent quality control, I think we must have senior marshals
carefully evaluate every one on a case-by-case basis, each time they
are presented. The skill of the bowyer is going to have a lot to do
with how safe they are. What you say about PVC pipe is a red flag,
and an unpainted, or unwrapped bow will need even greater scrutiny.
A bow that passes inspection when new might not be safe in a few
months.<br>
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We probably will only be able to make a blanket rule about them when
we have some experience with their reliability, or lack there of. We
could learn a lot if we built a couple and put them to use.<br>
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Yours Aye,<br>
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<br>
Mungo<br>
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On 4/24/2012 1:00 PM, John Atkins wrote:
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<div class="yiv190840439MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Folks
if you go to his site, backyardbowyer.com, and click on
Other, then select Youtube you see his videos on how he
makes his bows, breakage tests, etc. I’ve been told by
others that the poundage is a product of the piping used.
Thinner diameter, less poundage, also schedule 40 versus
schedule 80.</span></div>
<div class="yiv190840439MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv190840439MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My
first concern was the effect of sun light on PVC piping. My
first job out of college was running the marine aquaculture
lab for San Diego State University. I learned how to plumb
PVC piping from ¼ inch to 10 inch diameter. I KNOW PVC
pipe. One major issue with it is that after a year or so in
sun light it becomes so brittle that if you step on it, it
breaks. He covers this in his videos saying that painting
the bow protects it from the damaging UV rays. I bought a
piece of pipe to try to make one to test it out. If/when I
get it finished and tested I’ll report back.</span></div>
<div class="yiv190840439MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv190840439MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My
main reason from bringing this up is that I am beginning to
hear more about these bows from several folks in my area. I
expect that we will begin to see these bows showing up on
our ranges. We need to decide how we are going to handle
them BEFORE that date. i.e. Will we accept them, we will
reject them? If we reject them, we need to have a good
solid reason for rejection. I recall several years ago an
archer took their newly purchased bow to the range at
Pennsic where it was rejected. This was one of those $40
black all fiberglass bows and the archer bought it from Elk
Ridge Archery which is a very reputable and SCA friendly
bowyer. The archer took it back to Elk Ridge and told them
what the marshals had said. When Deb, Joe’s wife and
co-owner, took the bow back to the range to ask why it was
rejected, all they said was “That’s a bad bow”. No
justification or reason as to why or what. There was
nothing wrong with the bow. I would rather not be in that
position with these PVC bows.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv190840439MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Just
saying,</span></div>
<div class="yiv190840439MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">cog</span><br>
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