<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT style="RIGHT: auto" face="tahoma, new york, times, serif"><FONT size=4><FONT>I h</FONT>ear you Christophe. </FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face="tahoma, new york, times, serif">I should probably qualify my comments as being based on a romantic idealization of the Chivalry from my SCA memories of the 1980s. Also, its not something I aspire to now... my SCA time revolves around the joy of shooting, a recent dive into rapier (much fun, highly recommend), and re-invigorating my Shire. I do not have the time or energy to embark on the path towards a peerage - so any ideas I may have on an archery peerage should be taken with a grain of salt, as I do not intend to attempt that journey myself.</FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face="tahoma, new york, times, serif">I do understand your questioning the need to be versed in chess and dance. I just think that if we are going for a Martial peerage instead of Laurel or Pelican, we should pattern it after the Chivalry. I hope we would at least maintain a teaching of the Seven Virtues. I know that several of us have expressed disappointment in our Chivalry (and some rcvd pushback when they mentioned dishonorable instances on public lists, which is even more discouraging). When I started playing again in SCA (2007) it saddened me to hear that Atlantian Knights had a rep from other kingdoms as "thugs". I can't help but notice there is some truth behind that slander. I do find myself sorting out the false knights from the true ones and staying clear of the former. But one thing our True
Knights seem to have in common is a devotion to the Seven Virtues. Because of their example, I've tried to adopt those virtues for personal growth (and Marine Corps deprogramming!) with good results. For instance, I recently had an unfortunate encounter with a False Knight. I handled it better than most who know me would have expected, especially considering that a year ago he would have been picking his teeth off the pavement. That's Fen learning Temperance. Yes, baby steps, ha. </FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face="tahoma, new york, times, serif">But overall, I think that *if* the Chivalry has lost its way, its because some were never taught to use those Virtues as a pole star to keep them on the path. And I'm afraid if we don't have something like that as a foundation for our first generation of peers, the following generations will become diluted rather quickly. BTW, I don't mean to paint the Chivalry in such broad strokes. For every false Knight there are ten true ones that humbly go about exemplifying the epitome of Knighthood every day. Its been said in remorse that "you can be the Champion of 20 tournaments of Courtesy and Chivalry and the only thing people will remember is the 1 time you kicked your helm across the list field." </FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face="tahoma, new york, times, serif">All that aside, I don't see the BOD approving an Archey Peerage in the near future. It might be wiser to create a higher tier from within the Yew Bow. Some are already there, and some may need more guidance and work. You could create a martial order that focuses not only on raw skill, but also being a Patriarch/Matriarch of the archery community. I think Jonathas already named good examples of archers we would model such an Order after. It won't be official, but we will all know what it really means. More importantly, they will be in place to hit the ground running if/when an Archery peerage is approved - a bit of the "behave like a peer to become a peer" philosophy. Maybe assign them an archery related baldric to associate them with this new Order. Although my sniper-self is partial
to the White Feather (Hathcock) as a mark of ranged prowess.</FONT></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face=Tahoma>Whatever direction we take for a peerage, I would caution on how we sit in judgement of each candidate'</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face=Tahoma>s character. This is a thorny issue the Chivalry has had trouble with too - rumour and gossip are oftened entered into the record without any recourse. And despite whatever confidentiality you think you have in place, such false witness will find its way back to the candidate and likely create contempt for the entire Order. So we should be very careful when judging character, and there should be some mechanism in place for the candidate to correct misinformation or misunderstandings. There should also be a way to remove a peerage from those that would abuse it (assuming that doesn't conflict with
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face="tahoma, new york, times, serif">Regardless, it i<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>s simply not right that our most virtuous and skilled are not honored by a martial peerage. I know I initially claimed I was agnostic on the issue, but after writing this, I do see the need for one. So thanks for putting up with my blather. You've moved me from "undecided" to "yes". I'll be sending in a less dramatic :) email soon.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face=Tahoma>@ Colum: "I sent in my email. It is rather lengthy and I tried to stick with facts. If anyone is interested I could post it here."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=4 face=Tahoma>I would be interested in seeing your arguments before I draft mine. If you could please email it to me, would be much appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT color=#4040ff size=4 face="tahoma, new york, times, serif">Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.</FONT></div>
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<div class=yiv695578902MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I have to take exception to your comments here. What makes you think that a person who gets elevated to knighthood who doesn’t have a defined persona, no clue as to history or where his perceived persona is supposed to fit, and conducts himself in a totally unchivalrous manner is a model any archer should follow after? Yes, this particular individual may be an exception but it would be better if they were the only exception and not the current day’s rule. Knight’s who dance? Really? Knights who know about historical methods of fighting? Really? Knights who enter A&S? Really? Chivalry (outside the ranks of those with white belts), chess? Really? How many? I would seriously like to meet these unique individuals. As I say, some fit this mold but my experience says most do
not. I see no value in an archer being squired to a knight. I would see much more value in an archer being either apprenticed or protégéd to a laurel or pelican. My personal experience was asking a knight, whom I respect, about becoming his squire. He responded that he expected me to fight on the battle field even though I made it clear my goal was target archery. At 65 and with exercise induced erythema I’m not going to do that. Been there, done that as a combat archer. Not now. What then can this knight do for me? On the other hand my first laurel told me they knew nothing of my craft, leatherworking, but they knew how to lead me through the process of becoming a laurel. Those words and guidance have stood me quite well though I’m still not a laurel and doubt I ever will be.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv695578902MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">If I seem harsh on those with white belts, I don’t mean to be. But they have white belts because they fight well not because they are chivalrous, dance, know history or do A&S well. They swing a stick well. That is what the white belt has become and that is what it now means. Of course there are many exceptions to this as with any group of people and perhaps those are the ones we should be focusing on and not the outside exceptions.</SPAN></div>
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