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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have to take exception to your comments here. What makes you think that a person who gets elevated to knighthood who doesn’t have a defined persona, no clue as to history or where his perceived persona is supposed to fit, and conducts himself in a totally unchivalrous manner is a model any archer should follow after? Yes, this particular individual may be an exception but it would be better if they were the only exception and not the current day’s rule. Knight’s who dance? Really? Knights who know about historical methods of fighting? Really? Knights who enter A&S? Really? Chivalry (outside the ranks of those with white belts), chess? Really? How many? I would seriously like to meet these unique individuals. As I say, some fit this mold but my experience says most do not. I see no value in an archer being squired to a knight. I would see much more value in an archer being either apprenticed or protégéd to a laurel or pelican. My personal experience was asking a knight, whom I respect, about becoming his squire. He responded that he expected me to fight on the battle field even though I made it clear my goal was target archery. At 65 and with exercise induced erythema I’m not going to do that. Been there, done that as a combat archer. Not now. What then can this knight do for me? On the other hand my first laurel told me they knew nothing of my craft, leatherworking, but they knew how to lead me through the process of becoming a laurel. Those words and guidance have stood me quite well though I’m still not a laurel and doubt I ever will be.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If I seem harsh on those with white belts, I don’t mean to be. But they have white belts because they fight well not because they are chivalrous, dance, know history or do A&S well. They swing a stick well. That is what the white belt has become and that is what it now means. Of course there are many exceptions to this as with any group of people and perhaps those are the ones we should be focusing on and not the outside exceptions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>cog<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fen & Michelle<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 17, 2012 8:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] archery peerage<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I don't think its new, just a correction to what the Yew Bow recognizes. As I understand it, there has always been a service component.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Which brings up another point - the Chivalry has always said that, while are there are several things they look for in a candidate, they prefer not to use a checklist type format. Some fighters may possess all the desired attributes of such a "list" but still not qualify as a squire. Its a very subjective process, deliberately so. We may want our own peerage to be like that, so people don't just assume they simply need to put a check in each box to qualify.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Also, is there really anything that prevents an archer from asking to squire out to a knight now? Granted, you will prob never be elevated, but you could be a sponge and soak up all the knowledge for the archery community to put to use. And it would make a strong point. I still firmly believe that our first generation of peers should be well-schooled in chivlary, the seven virtues, history, dance, chess, etc... just like that martial peers are. So they can pass that standard on to whoever they squire. There needs to be an aspect of "The Dream" to it or it will go off the path. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>But the Chiv has changed alot since I played heavy weaps in the 80s. I think Jonathas is an active squire, he could prob speak on the matter better than me and discuss whether any of this squire training would transfer well into an archery peerage. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Fen </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>