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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Once again, excellent point. If one has read Bernard Cornwell’s books about early England and the Northmen and particularly his descriptions of a true shield wall then watching an SCA battle with a shield wall holds little, if any, resemblance to the “real thing”. Cornwell’s shield walls are actual walls with specific techniques. SCA shield walls are a bunch of SCA fighters lined up shoulder to shoulder digressing into one on one battles soon after “engagement”. And more to the point, for an archer to become a “peer” they should be known as making their bow, quiver, arm guard, string, and arrows and fluent in the history of archery and done displays of recreated archery gear? And a fighter is made a knight/peer because their bought their armor, shield, weapon (let’s be honest about how many heavies actually make their own gear and how period it is) and “hit real gud with it”?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK, I’m missing something here……………………….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>cog<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fen & Michelle<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Siegfried; archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Nature of peerage ... was: Re: Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 25<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>His Excellency Siegfried has me thinking about... zebras. Yes, zebras - both horse and donkey, but also neither. I'll try to explain what I mean:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>An archer will make his own "period bow & arrows" and then use them in competition (skill at martial art). But do the heavies make "period" armor to use in Crown Tourney? Correct my ignorance if I'm wrong, but I believe they would still use foam inserts as padding or stainless steel, modern techniques to form metal, etc. Same for personal combat techniques - aren't most trained in how to use a rattan "club" instead of a sword? Again, same for melee tactics on the field. Do we really use "period" tactics at Pennsic if they are not effective?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Maybe someone more knowledgable can flesh these thought out. It just seems to me that archery is like a zebra - portions of it fit into martial and the laurel, but not enough to actually belong to either group.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Fen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4040FF'>Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Siegfried <<a href="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz">siegfried@crossbows.biz</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:51 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Archers] Nature of peerage ... was: Re: Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 25</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>...Where the one disconnect comes, is in the art/skill/science of the<br>activity itself. IE, in the 'martial art' of "Skill at archery", or<br>"Skill at rapier".<br><br>...However, the 'gap' that is often trying to be addressed here. Is<br>specifically the skill at the 'Martial Art' itself. Being Amazing, at<br>the skill of fighting with a sword, or Amazing at the medieval art of<br>shooting a truly medieval crossbow or bow.<br><br>...Right now, it's that 'skill at martial art', that isn't being<br>recognized. The Pelicans do not recognize it, because it's an 'art',<br>not a service. The Laurel do not recognize it (though a decade ago<br>now, Society stated that they should), simply, and not their fault,<br>because it doesn't fit into the 'typical' mindset of the rest of the<br>Laurel arts, which revolve about research & creating physical items.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>...However, this specific 'skill at a martial art' form, is recognized<br>specifically & solely for Armored Rattan Combat. While yes, you need<br>(or should) have all the other characteristics of a Peer, comporting<br>oneself, teaching one's art, learning historical forms of one's art.<br><br>...Someone can be made a Peer, in this case a Knight, for the 'primary<br>reason' of their skill at medieval bladed combat, as represented by<br>rattan swords.<br><br>...However, if their chosen weapon that they want to perfect their skill<br>with, and their focus is that skill alone, is a Rapier. Or is a<br>bow/crossbow. Then they currently cannot be recognized the same way.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>