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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fen, I could not agree with you MORE! In one long discussion with a new Trimarian knight, it became obvious, and even stated by the new knight, that to become a knight there was one criteria, fight well. Garb, chivalry, participation in the other arts, even knowing some history, not required. Just hit people really well. In my 18 years in this club I too have seen it go from an historical re-enactment club to a fight club that wears funny clothes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why, is the question. I think it is because those of us who have been around for a long time have not done a good job of schooling the new folks. We have allowed a slack standard. Imagine a person standing in front of a king who was a stickler on “trying to be period”, wearing mundane clothes at a very large SCA event saying “I don’t like garb, it isn’t comfortable.” That person should have been taken aside and talked to. (Not trying to be an AH here but if one attends a large SCA event then one should at least make a decent attempt at period garb.) If they chose to persist with their mundane choices fine, but they should also have it made known to them the effect they are having on the rest of us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I believe it falls upon us to teach the new folks a higher standard, and push to accept only that higher standard. Does that mean everyone has to wear a $500 pair of boots? No. It does mean that wearing white Nikes should be pointed out as not acceptable. Yes. There are low cost solutions. In my area I have started a program with this as one of its main objectives. I can’t change the thinking of the chiv, but I can lead by example and gather folks about me who are like thinking. In my delusional state, I like to think that this group will become a group others would like to become members of and thereby improve a small aspect of this club.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just as a side note – I was asked, a few years back, by another small re-enactment group to attend one of their events to provide archery. They had no one who could do that and they wanted to get it started. I went. I was most impressed by their standard of “everyone must appear period from at least 10 feet away”. So I made a point of attending their events in my most period looking garb. I even bought an ELB to complete the kit (of course other reasons as well, but we won’t go there here). I saw people wearing cheap cotton tunics over camo cargo pants. I hit the wall when their “prince” was holding “court” while wearing Teva sandals. When I confronted him about it I got the old “they’re more comfortable”. Birkenstocks I could accept as a valid attempt at appearing period, but Teva? I considered doing an A&S project “proving” that Tevas were period because they have inkle produced trim as straps, etc. (Things like this tend to bring out the worst in me!) Needless to say I no longer participate with the group as I can get that right here in the SCA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>cog<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fen & Michelle<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jamie Frailey; archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 19<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm agnostic on this one. Back in the 80s I did heavy and watched my Knight go through the process - from unbelt to Count to Squire, then Duke and finally Knight. It was an arduous journey.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I don't want to be one of those "back in the day" types, but the standards have really slipped since then. There are Knights running around now that have no business wearing the belt. And I wish there was a way to yank belts from those subpar knights (other than felony charges).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>For our own crowd, I can already think of a handful of shooters that are worthy. Although some are already squires or peers. But I would support a peerage for archery IF the candidates were squired out to heavy weapon Knights of good character. I strongly believe the first generation should be well-schooled in all aspects of the Chivalry - Seven Virtues, chess, dancing, etc. That way we have a strong foundation to pass on to the next generation, and our peers will be less likey to stray from the "righteous" path.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>But reading between the lines of the census summary, it looks as if (at best) they will create a peerage for rapier only. Then table the discussion for several more years. Not trying to rain on any parades - just don't want us to get our hopes up only to lose people to disappointment and frustration.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Fen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4040FF'>Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jamie Frailey <<a href="mailto:jamie@designbyfive.com">jamie@designbyfive.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:35 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 19</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv2049727377><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I don't know but I think it would be very cool to be part of the Chiv. What is great about the SCA is there is something for everyone. What is so cool about archery (Extremely large community) you can get what ever you want out of it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>