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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lorelei, I congratulate you for this effort! The youth are the future of the SCA and all that so many have worked hard for over the years. I will never understand why folks have to try to turn something positive into some agenda? Last I looked there is no where it is written that the DEM has to poll anyone about anything. The fact that it happens says volumes of our DEM’s and the fact that everyone gets to “chime” in is a real plus. I wish more of our youth stay with the SCA but many do not, that does not mean we should abandon the ones that are interested. Not all are cut out for it and some will not be interested, but those that are willing should be welcomed and encouraged so they can contribute down the road. I applaud you Lorelei.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>loreleielkins@aol.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id="AOLMsgPart_1_d144b15c-81a5-419d-8d83-33f1f1b74b25"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>My friends, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>You most certainly DO have input on what goes on, as I promised I would do in my term as DEM. I have in no way broken that agreement. That is why I posted the information to this list. Your input is needed on the structure and details of the program, which are not set yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>No, I did not ask everyone if we should or should not have such a program in the first place, as that was <i>my</i> call and those whom I asked or volunteered to contribute ideas for a Youth Marshal in Training program. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>There is a<i> very</i> good reason why we have a young man already a Youth Marshal in Training. It is not a reason I am prepared to discuss in a public forum. If you have an overwhelming need to know, you can contact me privately.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Lorelei<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Holly Gibbons <<a href="mailto:holly0920@yahoo.com">holly0920@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: archers <<a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>Sent: Thu, Jun 2, 2011 10:47 am<br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_bed6f62e-596e-4420-9ecf-dcf09d1e0bd3"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'>To my fellow archery marshals:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'>I am in agreement with Eldred's thoughtful and insightful comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'>I, too, was under the impression that this new program was a proposal under consideration and that Atlantia's archery marshals were being asked for feedback, when in fact we have just heard the program's already decided and already announced and apparently already populated with at least one youth. It seems our opinions as marshals had and will have no bearing on the program which we are now asked to implement.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'>I know this is a top-down monarchy, this game we play, so I will gladly do whatever I'm told. But the hypocrisy kind of bothers me. Am I even allowed to voice this without fear that I am too insubordinate?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'>Nuala<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'>Original Message: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:48:10 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: Eldred AElfwald <<a href="mailto:dragonazure@yahoo.com"><span class=yshortcuts>dragonazure@yahoo.com</span></a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org"><span class=yshortcuts>archers@atlantia.sca.org</span></a>, <a href="mailto:tazzi_693@yahoo.com"><span class=yshortcuts>tazzi_693@yahoo.com</span></a>, <a href="mailto:Geldamar@aol.com"><span class=yshortcuts>Geldamar@aol.com</span></a>,<br> <a href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com"><span class=yshortcuts>loreleielkins@aol.com</span></a><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program<br>Greetings fellow archers and marshals!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'><br>Considering Their Majesties' desire to align the laws and policies of Atlantia, I would recommend setting the YTAM age at 16 years old.? This is the age they are permitted to authorize for heavy combat and the age at which the Chancellor of Youth Activities has set for their?Officers:<br>1.7.2.9.2.2.1 All Chancellors Minor must be at least 16 years of age and a paid member of the SCA. <br><br>Also, does this program fall under the same rules and regulations as the Youth Activities programs? E.g. background checks?<br><br>I'm a little disturbed that the deed has been done without a discussion of the potential rules changes first. If we collectively agree to a policy that is contrary to what has been done, I have no problem "grandfathering" the existing marshals into the program because it would be unfair to force them out "ex post facto".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#111111'>In service,<br>Eldred AElfwald<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="AOLMsgPart_3_bed6f62e-596e-4420-9ecf-dcf09d1e0bd3"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Archers mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>