<html><div>okay, so the lurking was short lived :) Cog's message arrived while I was typing mine ;)</div><div> </div><div>I just want to re-stress - what qualifies as a big event? Additionally, according to</div><div>Society rules, every archer is the ultimate responsible party for their own equipment.</div><div>If a marshal is uncertain about a specific bow type, don't be afraid to ask the archer</div><div>what they would look for if they thought their equipment might be failing, or if at all</div><div>possible, another marshal. It is always the MiCs option to disallow any equipment with</div><div>which they feel uncomfortable. If a prospective MiC doesn't feel comfortable with</div><div>crossbows, then the event announcement should indicate that they are not allowed.</div><div> </div><div>back to lurking.... again :)</div><div> </div><div>Dealla</div><div> </div><div>---------- Original Message ----------<br>From: "John Atkins" <cogworks@triad.rr.com><br>To: "'Holly Gibbons'" <holly0920@yahoo.com>, <archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program<br>Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:25:03 -0400<br><br></p> <div><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Thank you Nuala for opening this can of worms. Being accused of often bringing up only the negative let me say this, I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE! I too, believe that many of our archery marshals could seriously use a "refresher course". I have seen situations that were, at best, marginal, and some that weren't even marginal! I've seen marshals "running the line" while sitting 10 feet behind and 20 feet off the end of the line so they could be sitting under a sun shade! I've seen marshals refuse perfectly good bows because they did not know what they were inspecting. I've seen ranges that I seriously questioned the safety of and was told "It's OK'. (For those who are going to ask, yes, I did bring these issues to the attention of the marshal at fault.) </span></span><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">And I believe Nuala is correct, every MIT should, if at all possible, do a turn at a big war, or at least a big event, i.e. War of the Wings, Kingdom Champion Shoot. Where else will they get the exposure to such a variety of equipment as at one of these events?</span></span></div> <div><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> </span></span> </div> <div><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Do I think the archery marshals of Atlantia as a whole are ill equipped? Not at all. I've done a few non-SCA shoots and some of them have been flat out scary! We look like "the cowboy after OSHA" compared to them! But we have a few marshals who serve as examples of this discussion (I've seen some out of kingdom marshals who fit this scary definition as well).</span></span></div> <div><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> </span></span> </div> <div><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">As for the age of youth marshals, I still think a mature 15 year old can do the job. I've been coaching kids ice hockey teams for over 17 years now. I've coached ages from 6 to 18 years old. I've worked with several kids 15 years old who would be excellent, conscientious marshals. I've also worked with some kids at 18 who would scare me if they were a marshal! So maturity is the operative word here along with a good screening process.</span></span></div> <div><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"> </span></span> </div> <div><span class="000100019-01062011"><span style="color: #0000ff; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">cog</span></span></div> <blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" lang="en-us"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;">-----Original Message-----<br><strong>From:</strong> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Holly Gibbons<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:34 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Archers] Youth Target Archery Marshal Program<br><br></span></div> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div></div> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">Ok, so here's my humble opinion.</span></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;"> </span> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">Have we checked with the Thrown Weapons Marshallate? They have had just such a program in place for years. I believe they do this at age 17. I love the concept of letting the capable and mature 16 and 17 year olds get ready to hit the ground running. I actually do not think that 15 year olds have the judgement thing down yet, but it truely depends so much on the kid.</span></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;"> </span> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">I think archery marshals in general need more training, lots more, no matter their age. No way are three MIT sessions enough whether you are 16 or 56. I felt woefully underprepared with that so I did tons of MITing before submitting paperwork. </span><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">It's one thing to co-man a line, another to inspect bows, and another entirely to design and run a shoot. I try not to run lines if I can help it because I haven't got the voice and I am distractable. I'm a lot better at inspections and my fav thing to do is make targets. So we have to know ourselves and our weak suits, also, and that takes time and experience.</span></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">I think MITs should have more training in running shoots - - they should have to be an assistant to someone experienced in putting on a shoot, setting up the course properly, making the targets, etc, before they can do one themselves. I have seen too many safety issues crop up with new Marshals putting on their first shoots! I had lots of help, I remember that. As far as inspections, every MIT should have to spend a day at Pennsic or another huge archery event and inspect every crowwbow under a watchful eye, if they themselves shoot a handbow, and vice versa. Sheer numbers is what you need.</span></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">One other thing that has been really helpful to me is to have another set of eyes and ears. Whenever I put on an event I want another experienced marshal tagging me. I can take the ultimate responsibility but it is incredibly valuable to have a backup to talk things over with.</span></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Garamond; font-size: small;">It's a little like graduated drivers' licences. So definitely bring on the mature youth, but re-amp the overall requirements! Thanks for a cool discussion, everybody. ... Nuala</span></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> </div></div></div></blockquote></html>
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