<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>My friend, Godai Katsunaga, shoots bamboo shafts as he is Japanese. He has given some of the cut down shafts to my 12 year old grandson. They work wonderfully and do not shatter. They are a little difficult to grind down for placing the tips though. They are period. I am sure Godai will also address your concerns when he gets access to the site.<BR> </DIV><FONT size=2>Best regards,<BR><BR>Katarzyna<BR>Lady Katarzyna Witkowska<BR><BR></FONT><FONT size=2><EM>Set your heart on doing good. Do it over and over again, and you will be filled with joy. <BR></EM>Buddha <BR><BR></FONT>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Christi Singleton <tazzi_693@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tue, March 15, 2011 2:57:48 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins and Bamboo Shafts<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>I must admit I would prefer not to have my targets torn up by those tips. They would do an awful amount of damage.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>I firmly believe they should be left at being decorative and nothing more.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Also is the use of bamboo shafts allowed? <BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>3Rivers is also offering them now and the question was posed to Lord Alric.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Personally I would feel that with bamboo being hallow it would pose a greater risk of shattering/splintering.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Not to mention bamboo would take a lot more upkeep such as needing to be oiled every so often.</SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:19 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Archers Digest, Vol 90, Issue 8<BR></FONT><BR>Send Archers mailing list submissions to<BR> <A href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR> http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org<BR><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR> <A href="mailto:archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
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target=_blank ymailto="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com">loreleielkins@aol.com</A>)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:44:38 -0400<BR>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4D7F8966.3050009@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:4D7F8966.3050009@virginia.edu">4D7F8966.3050009@virginia.edu</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Noble friends of the bow,<BR><BR>The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality <BR>of
the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they <BR>might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on <BR>these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their <BR>potential to rip up a target?<BR><BR>Kind regards,<BR><BR><BR>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:48:02 -0400 (EDT)<BR>From: <A href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com">loreleielkins@aol.com</A><BR>To: <A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>, <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:8CDB13F803558C5-1260-A30B@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:8CDB13F803558C5-1260-A30B@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com">8CDB13F803558C5-1260-A30B@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Greetings! Yes, you nailed it. Target points should be used on archery targets. Target backs can be expensive. Broadheads are meant to penetrate flesh, not foam. :-)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Garth G. Groff <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR>To: Archers <<A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am<BR>Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large
bodkins<BR><BR><BR>Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei<BR><BR>The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality <BR>of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they <BR>might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on <BR>these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their <BR>potential to rip up a target?<BR><BR>Kind regards,<BR><BR><BR>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Archers mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><A href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An
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just big bodkins, actually weighing about <BR>180 grains and about 3/8" across. Some archers might think they are <BR>legal because they AREN'T broadheads. If somebody shows up with these on <BR>our range, I am going to take a literal interpretation of the Society <BR>rule: "No broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets <BR>shall be used ...." 3Rivers also sells a smaller version at about 140 <BR>grains which I haven't measured. I think the damage potential would be <BR>similar.<BR><BR>If anyone just has to shoot traditional arrows, they can still use the <BR>125-grain Ace faux medieval points or the equivalent that 3Rivers and <BR>some English vendors offer (so-called "mod-bods"). These have always <BR>been legal in Atlantia, AFAIK. I can't see why anybody would want to <BR>shoot such heavy points with our light target bows anyway. Their arrows <BR>would drop like a stone.<BR><BR>Too bad in a way, because those big bodkins are
really cool points. I <BR>have them on my 3/8" living history arrows, but those shafts are only <BR>for display and looking cool in my quiver at demonstrations.<BR><BR>Kind regards,<BR><BR><BR>Lord Mungo, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 3/15/2011 11:48 AM, <A href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com">loreleielkins@aol.com</A> wrote:<BR>> Greetings! Yes, you nailed it. Target points should be used on <BR>> archery targets. Target backs can be expensive. Broadheads are meant <BR>> to penetrate flesh, not foam. :-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: Garth G. Groff <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR>> To: Archers <<A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A>><BR>> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am<BR>> Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<BR>><BR>> Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei<BR>><BR>> The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality<BR>> of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they<BR>> might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on<BR>> these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their<BR>> potential to rip up a target?<BR>><BR>> Kind regards,<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Archers mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
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href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>, <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:8CDB14A5E487FB8-CA40-13D5@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:8CDB14A5E487FB8-CA40-13D5@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com">8CDB14A5E487FB8-CA40-13D5@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>My mistake Lord Mungo. I read your message too quickly, I apologize. <BR><BR><BR>I know the points you are talking about and they do indeed damage the targets. This might be one of those, "at the discretion of the MiC", since it is more than likely the MiC's targets which are being shot up. While I
agree that they are nice for the period look, I wouldn't encourage their use, just because they can potentially cause so much damage. Now if we had some nice period targets to shoot at.....<BR><BR><BR>Anyone else have thoughts on this?<BR><BR><BR>Lorelei<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Garth G. Groff <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR>To: Archers <<A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:15 am<BR>Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<BR><BR><BR> Lady Lorelei and friends,<BR> <BR> But these are not broadheads, just big bodkins, actually weighing about 180 grains
and about 3/8" across. Some archers might think they are legal because they AREN'T broadheads. If somebody shows up with these on our range, I am going to take a literal interpretation of the Society rule: "No broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets shall be used ...." 3Rivers also sells a smaller version at about 140 grains which I haven't measured. I think the damage potential would be similar.<BR> <BR> If anyone just has to shoot traditional arrows, they can still use the 125-grain Ace faux medieval points or the equivalent that 3Rivers and some English vendors offer (so-called "mod-bods"). These have always been legal in Atlantia, AFAIK. I can't see why anybody would want to shoot such heavy points with our light target bows anyway. Their arrows would drop
like a stone.<BR> <BR> Too bad in a way, because those big bodkins are really cool points. I have them on my 3/8" living history arrows, but those shafts are only for display and looking cool in my quiver at demonstrations.<BR> <BR> Kind regards,<BR> <BR> <BR> Lord Mungo, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> On 3/15/2011 11:48 AM, <A href="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:loreleielkins@aol.com">loreleielkins@aol.com</A> wrote: <BR>Greetings! Yes, you nailed it. Target points should be used on archery targets. Target backs can be expensive. Broadheads are meant to penetrate
flesh, not foam. :-) <BR><BR> <BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR> From: Garth G. Groff <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR> To: Archers <<A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A>><BR> Sent:
Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am<BR> Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei<BR><BR>The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality <BR>of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they <BR>might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on <BR>these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their <BR>potential to rip up a target?<BR><BR>Kind regards,<BR><BR><BR>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Archers mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
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