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<DIV><SPAN class=953343121-16092010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>All on
this list, this thread brings up old thoughts and some hard feelings for
me. However, without getting into embarassing details let me just say that
from my point of view the solution to this entire issue is QUALITY OF
MARSHAL. We have had situations in the past that resulted in either
dangerous situations, stupid rules, or embarassment for the archery community
due, again in my opinion, to bad marshalling. If Atlantian archery
marshals are of quality and fully understand that being an event TA MIC means
you are the SAFETY OFFICER and not God for a Day, then these situations would
not come up. Good marshals contact the event autocrat BEFORE the event to
discuss archery needs. Kaytarzyna says she has driven hours to investigate
a new to her site. That's the type of quality marshalling I'm referring
to. Setting targets in areas without consideration of the overshoot zones
is not quality marshalling. No matter how many rules we write we will
NEVER be able to write a rule to prevent stupid or poor
quality.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=953343121-16092010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>cog
with some very strong opinions on this
subject.................................................</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Janyn
Fletcher<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Garth G. Groff'; Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Archers] I'd like to point out.....<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Lord
Mungo, as much as I agree with you I can say that is not the case, at least
today in Atlantia. The incidents I keep referring to as evidence occurred
because of two factors, 1. Autocrat “shoe-horned” archery into places it was
unsafe and should have not been. 2. The MIC, even though I know they meant
well did not understand the safety rules and even made a comment to me when I
challenged the range setup that, “The Baron said it was alright.” One ended up
alright after we adjusted the range to be safe, the other someone almost got
shot. If I had my way I would have pulled those warrant’s immediately and
asked that those two marshall’s have someone assigned to them to help them get
up to speed. Both are still current marshal’s in Atlantia.
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Might
sound harsh but I don’t ever want to be the one that almost shot someone
because of any excuse!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Garth
G. Groff<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:36 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Archers] I'd like to
point out.....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Lady Kaytarzyna,<BR><BR>Are you suggesting that at a
tournament we marshals, as participating archers, should refuse to shoot?
Absolutely! But even more than that, the marshal-in-charge MUST refuse to set
up and open a range on a space that does not meet kingdom safety standards.
Period. Not to do so would endanger the MIC's warrant, and in case of an
accident, would open the Kingdom (not to mention the MIC) up to all sorts of
Society sanctions and possible legal troubles.<BR><BR>Closing the range would
undoubtedly cause a lot of hard feelings, a blizzard of emails, probably not
be taken seriously by the powers that be (outside of the archery community),
and possibly cause archery to be excluded at that event in the future, but it
is the only possible course of action. <BR><BR>Kind regards,<BR><BR><BR>Lord
Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<BR><BR>On 9/16/2010 9:17
AM, Katherine Hawkins wrote: <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Bookman Old Style','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">I agree that
the TA Marshall in Charge needs to communicate with the Autocrat as to the
needs for a suitable site for archery. I think one of the biggest
problems is that people like to "stretch" the rule in order to be able to
accommodate a shoot. Let's face it archery on site means more
money. I think each of us as Atlantia Marshalls should refuse to shoot a
range that is not suitable and ask for a
refund.<BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Bookman Old Style','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 18pt">Best
regards, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Katarzyna Witkowska<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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