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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We don’t count it as a shot up here in the North but we do
count ALL dropped arrows as dead so no one is bending down on the line. Gotta
watch us SCA’ers and bending down on the line. That way you just keep
going and get it when the “Bows down” command is given.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ps… Wanted to buy COG ice cream at pennsic but he was just
much too busy :P<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Atkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 27, 2010 12:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> loreleielkins@aol.com; archers@atlantia.sca.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Fwd: Dropped arrows rule<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>What? Did somebody hear something? Must have been the
wind.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>loreleielkins@aol.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 27, 2010 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> archers@atlantia.sca.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Archers] Fwd: Dropped arrows rule</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Siegfried says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>You can't<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span
style='color:black'>poke the guy next to you with an arrow.</span><o:p></o:p></tt></pre></blockquote>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>You hear that Christophe?!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Siegfried <<a href="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz">siegfried@crossbows.biz</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:14 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Dropped arrows rule<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Greetings Mungo ... I'll chime in with my experiences/thoughts<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>On the 'counts as a shot':<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>I've never seen that applied in the SCA. If you fumble and drop<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>something, whoops, grab another from your quiver. So no, tradition<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>indicates that if you didn't 'shoot it', it wasn't a 'shot'. We<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>shouldn't be trying to find ways to penalize shooters, instead of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>letting them have fun.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>(In fact, I've seen this applied so far as to discount any 'thrown'<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>arrows, on purpose or by accident as well. Since again, if it wasn't<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>shot, it wasn't shot)<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>On the safety rule:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>You are correct, noone should be reaching over a line to pick up an arrow.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>(Of course, the situation is somewhat complicated by "How far away did<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>it drop", etc. As a standing crossbowman, I bend over at a 90degree to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>load my crossbow and draw bolts from a leg quiver. If a bolt drops<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>right next to my feet, or maybe a foot in front of them, I don't bend<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>any more than normal to snag it. However it's a very different<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>situation when a bolt/arrow falls 3 foot in front of the line, and<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>someone 'leans out' or 'steps out' to get it. EEEK)<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>And in all honesty, at THAT point, it's covered by the "Noone shall<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>enter the safety zone during active shooting" bits, so you really don't<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>need a separate rule.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>However, also in general, I'd be very hesitant to start listing off<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>every single "You can't do X" rule. As the list would be ginormous.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>You can't turn around with a loaded bow. You can't shoot backwards.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>You can't aim your bow at an 80degree angle while drawing it. You can't<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>poke the guy next to you with an arrow. You can't kick someone while<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>they are drawing their bow. You can't cut someone's crossbow string<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>while they are aiming ... etc etc etc etc<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Such things, IMO, are best left under "Keep a safe line" and "Keep<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>everyone out of the safety zone" and for the marshal to inform folks about.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Siegfried<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>On 8/27/10 9:58 AM, Garth G. Groff wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Lady Lorelei and friends,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> I've been looking for a rule concerning dropped arrows on the shooting<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> line, and haven't found anything. On our range, a dropped arrow always<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> counted as a shot, or maybe I'm going back 30 years to college rules. I<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> was corrected by the MIC last spring at a tournament when I told a<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> shooter to leave the arrow and count it as a miss. So what is the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> kingdom rule on this?<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Whether the archer is allowed another shot, or has to count a dropped<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> arrow, is a separate issue from whether they should stoop over to pick<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> it up. I contend they should let it lay as it is until bows go down,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> since stooping over to pick up the arrow could cost them a poke in the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> eye if the person next to them is nocking. Yes, it might get stepped on,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> but that is a smaller concern than safety of the line.And there is no<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> question that an arrow beyond the line says put until "Bows down" is<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> called.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Lady Lorelei, should this become an addition to our safety rules at the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> next update?<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
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