<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>As one of the original founders of the Needwood Forest Company of Archers, I think the idea of a fletcher's guild is great. Our experience with the Company for the past 4 years is that it has added to our enjoyment of archery in the SCA and it has helped us be better archers. I think a fletcher's guild would have a similar result throughout Atlantia.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps all interested archers who attend the Kingdom shoot May 8 could gather at some point and talk about how to make the guild a reality.</div><div><br></div><div>Timothy of Shaftesbury</div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, April 2, 2010 3:00:20 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Archers Digest, Vol 79, Issue 2<br></font><br>
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href="mailto:archers-owner@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-owner@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Archers digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Painting of Man with Arrow (Garth G. Groff)<br> 2. Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)<br> (Garth G. Groff)<br> 3. Re: Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)<br> (Siegfried)<br> 4. Re: fletchers guild (Garth G. Groff)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:36:16 -0400<br>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<a ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: [Archers] Painting of Man with Arrow<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4BB5D6B0.8080603@virginia.edu" href="mailto:4BB5D6B0.8080603@virginia.edu">4BB5D6B0.8080603@virginia.edu</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br><br>Noble Friends of the Arrow,<br><br>I recently posted this interesting image of Antoine, the Bastard of <br>Burgundy, to those who had shown an interest in the proposed fletchers' <br>guild. All of you should have a chance to join in the fun discussing <br>this famous painting: <br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Antoine_de_Bourgogne.jpg">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Antoine_de_Bourgogne.jpg</a> </span><br>. The arrow has several interesting features worthy of note.<br><br>The fellow in the picture is Antoine, the
unfortunately-styled Bastard <br>of Burgundy. In addition to being a Knight of the Golden Fleece (note <br>his chain and pendant), right-hand man to his half-brother Charles the <br>Bold, successful general, respected diplomat, and lover of a great many <br>women, he was also one of the finest gentleman archers in 15th century <br>Europe. The picture was painted circa 1462, shortly after Antoine won a <br>famous archery tournament a Bruges. If you are curious to read a short <br>biography of Antoine, try <br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine,_bastard_of_Burgundy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine,_bastard_of_Burgundy</a> .</span><br><br>Here's a question to ponder: Is the arrow one of those Antoine used to <br>win the tournament, or is it perhaps the trophy he received for his <br>triumph? We will probably never know for sure, but it is fun to speculate.<br><br>Should any of you find this sparks an interest in
joining the proposed <br>fletchers' guild, please contact me directly and I will add your name to <br>our list.<br><br>At your service,<br><br><br>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br><span>URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/archers-atlantia.sca.org/attachments/20100402/219c9c72/attachment.html">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/archers-atlantia.sca.org/attachments/20100402/219c9c72/attachment.html</a>></span><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:13:45 -0400<br>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<a ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu" href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: [Archers]
Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for<br> comments)<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4BB625C9.1060306@virginia.edu" href="mailto:4BB625C9.1060306@virginia.edu">4BB625C9.1060306@virginia.edu</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Noble friends,<br><br>Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian <br>fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.<br><br><br>1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.<br><br>2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are <br>interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other <br>official kingdom or local activities.<br><br>3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow <br>smithing and fletching.<br><br>4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared <br>knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and
local A&S <br>programs.<br><br>5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an <br>advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow <br>orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar <br>officer.<br><br><br>Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern <br>target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow <br>bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly <br>related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags, <br>bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the <br>group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not <br>seen as central to the group's activities at this time.<br><br>One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the <br>fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should <br>be on a separate forum.<br><br>And
would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they <br>prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to <br>keep it informal.)<br><br>Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all <br>messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal. <br>Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the <br>fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or <br>directly, and I will add your name to our list.<br><br>In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,<br><br><br>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:24:15 -0400<br>From: Siegfried <<a ymailto="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz" href="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz">siegfried@crossbows.biz</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for<br> comments)<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4BB6364F.70707@crossbows.biz" href="mailto:4BB6364F.70707@crossbows.biz">4BB6364F.70707@crossbows.biz</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>I wish to encourage your endeavor, as fletching is an excellent art<br>form, and one not known widely enough as I see numerous people out<br>buying arrows directly instead (at higher cost)<br><br>One thing I would humbly suggest though. That being to keep yourself<br>much more informal, and without 'grand goals' like you've stated below<br>(many of which would actually require kingdom law changes)<br><br>I've seen many such guilds fail, when they try to have grand goals and<br>be formalized from the beginning, not the least of which because they<br>perhaps turn off
people from then as they don't agree w/ their ideals<br>and/or see them as exclusive.<br><br>Whereas many of the most successful guilds have been just formed<br>informally, and over time, if enough interest grows, natural sets of<br>'guidelines' and 'goals' will present themselves and/or be granted.<br><br>In Service,<br>Siegfried<br><br><br>On 4/2/10 1:13 PM, Garth G. Groff wrote:<br>> Noble friends,<br>> <br>> Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian<br>> fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.<br>> <br>> <br>> 1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.<br>> <br>> 2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are<br>> interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other<br>> official kingdom or local activities.<br>> <br>> 3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow<br>>
smithing and fletching.<br>> <br>> 4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared<br>> knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and local A&S<br>> programs.<br>> <br>> 5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an<br>> advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow<br>> orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar<br>> officer.<br>> <br>> <br>> Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern<br>> target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow<br>> bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly<br>> related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags,<br>> bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the<br>> group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not<br>> seen
as central to the group's activities at this time.<br>> <br>> One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the<br>> fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should<br>> be on a separate forum.<br>> <br>> And would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they<br>> prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to<br>> keep it informal.)<br>> <br>> Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all<br>> messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal.<br>> Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the<br>> fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or<br>> directly, and I will add your name to our list.<br>> <br>> In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,<br>> <br>> <br>> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br>> <br>>
<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Archers mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><br><br>-- <br>Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust - Barony of Highland Foorde - Atlantia<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/">http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://crossbows.biz/">http://crossbows.biz/</a> - <a target="_blank" href="http://eliw.com/">http://eliw.com/</a></span><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:43:23 -0400<br>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<a ymailto="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu"
href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Archers] fletchers guild<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4BB63ACB.8060007@virginia.edu" href="mailto:4BB63ACB.8060007@virginia.edu">4BB63ACB.8060007@virginia.edu</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br><br>Lord Christophe,<br><br>Good points. I would like the idea of having our own list if the group <br>grows large enough. As long as it's small, and if the regular members on <br>the archers' list don't mind, we should probably stay here for now. It <br>would also be cool to have a home page with contact information and <br>maybe some graphics, especially if it is linked to the Kingdom A&S pages <br>(since Atlantian archery pages don't lend themselves to this at the <br>present
time).<br><br>Yes, there will always be lurkers, contributors who don't do much, and <br>people who get excited then quickly lose interest. As along as we have a <br>good core, no problem. If just a few of the less excited catch fire (so <br>to speak), then it is worth carrying everyone. There definitely won't be <br>any criteria to be a member beyond the usual web courtesies.<br><br>Subject to approval by the June University autocrat, I propose to set up <br>a table during the lunch hour to show off some of Lady Sarah's and my <br>arrows, maybe fletch a few shafts, and generally talk up arrow building. <br>Should anyone wish to share the table, and bring their own work, <br>wonderful. It would be a great way to make new friends, recruit new <br>fletchers, and promote archery in general. This is something we could <br>all do at various tournaments, especially those with a strong archery <br>agenda.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br><br>Lord Mungo Napier,
Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br><br>John Atkins wrote:<br>> Mungo,<br>> I'm liking this idea. I would suggest we have our own Yahoo list to <br>> converse on, although we all know the archers list could use the <br>> traffic! I think if we had our own Yahoo list then we could possibly <br>> consider opening it up to other traditional but non SCA folks. Just a <br>> thought. I'm thinking of a list I'm on of primitive archers in <br>> Michigan. While they attempt period reenactment, they are not SCA. <br>> Some of them will be in attendance at SAAD through my prodding.<br>> <br>> One issue I do have with the group though is membership. While I am <br>> not a big fan of strict criteria for membership to guilds I do rankle <br>> at those who join things like this for the "apparent" status but do <br>> nothing to contribute. Cookie collectors is what they are
called. <br>> Having said that, I foresee some joining the guild for one of it's <br>> prime reasons, to learn. As such, when they first come in they may <br>> not be significant contributors and I think that is fine. It's what <br>> the guild is about. BUT I would like to see them do more than just <br>> lurk on the list. A comment here and there, questions, suggestions, <br>> "why don't we do it this way...". Activity. I just feel if you are <br>> going to "wear the badge" then you represent something that you should <br>> be an active, contributing member of. Not someone who calls themself <br>> a member but does nothing and is not active.<br>> <br>> I don't mean to go over the top here, just some random thoughts.<br>> <br>> cog<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br><span>URL: <<a target="_blank"
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