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The Crescent Guard is actually informal - we have a badge, but I never submitted it OR our name to the Kingdom. We LIKE being informal, because it means we can run things our own way, without Baronial/Kingdom/Society law getting in the way.<BR>
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So I am very much interested in the fletcher's guild as long as it stays informal. I am frankly quite tired of all the incessant rules, and of people doing things ONLY because they want the cookie. it's one of the reasons I don't help/play much anymore - it was getting in the way of me having fun.<BR>
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The Guild also interests me because for the past few years, I have been fletching all my arrows by hand, and I enjoy it very much. The ONLY jig I use is a cutting jig, for consistency. Feathers are too expensive to waste trying to cut them by hand.<BR>
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So count me in. And if you need any help running/building a yahoo list, let me know. I run many already for our barony and am pretty familiar with the application.<BR>
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Reyne Telarius<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive">A true friend is someone who knows all your faults and habits, and loves you anyway.</FONT><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#339966 size=4 face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive">Per chevron purpure and vert, two sheaves of arrows and a griffin argent</FONT></STRONG><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 06:07:49 -0700<BR>From: timothywarman@yahoo.com<BR>To: archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 79, Issue 2<BR><BR>
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<DIV>As one of the original founders of the Needwood Forest Company of Archers, I think the idea of a fletcher's guild is great. Our experience with the Company for the past 4 years is that it has added to our enjoyment of archery in the SCA and it has helped us be better archers. I think a fletcher's guild would have a similar result throughout Atlantia.</DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps all interested archers who attend the Kingdom shoot May 8 could gather at some point and talk about how to make the guild a reality.</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, April 2, 2010 3:00:20 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Archers Digest, Vol 79, Issue 2<BR></FONT><BR>Send Archers mailing list submissions to<BR> <A href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR><SPAN> <A href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</A></SPAN><BR><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR> <A href="mailto:archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR> <A href="mailto:archers-owner@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-owner@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Archers digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Painting of Man with Arrow (Garth G. Groff)<BR> 2. Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)<BR> (Garth G. Groff)<BR> 3. Re: Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)<BR> (Siegfried)<BR> 4. Re: fletchers guild (Garth G. Groff)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:36:16 -0400<BR>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>Subject: [Archers] Painting of Man with Arrow<BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4BB5D6B0.8080603@virginia.edu">4BB5D6B0.8080603@virginia.edu</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<BR><BR>Noble Friends of the Arrow,<BR><BR>I recently posted this interesting image of Antoine, the Bastard of <BR>Burgundy, to those who had shown an interest in the proposed fletchers' <BR>guild. All of you should have a chance to join in the fun discussing <BR>this famous painting: <BR><SPAN><A href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Antoine_de_Bourgogne.jpg">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Antoine_de_Bourgogne.jpg</A> </SPAN><BR>. The arrow has several interesting features worthy of note.<BR><BR>The fellow in the picture is Antoine, the unfortunately-styled Bastard <BR>of Burgundy. In addition to being a Knight of the Golden Fleece (note <BR>his chain and pendant), right-hand man to his half-brother Charles the <BR>Bold, successful general, respected diplomat, and lover of a great many <BR>women, he was also one of the finest gentleman archers in 15th century <BR>Europe. The picture was painted circa 1462, shortly after Antoine won a <BR>famous archery tournament a Bruges. If you are curious to read a short <BR>biography of Antoine, try <BR><SPAN><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine,_bastard_of_Burgundy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine,_bastard_of_Burgundy</A> .</SPAN><BR><BR>Here's a question to ponder: Is the arrow one of those Antoine used to <BR>win the tournament, or is it perhaps the trophy he received for his <BR>triumph? We will probably never know for sure, but it is fun to speculate.<BR><BR>Should any of you find this sparks an interest in joining the proposed <BR>fletchers' guild, please contact me directly and I will add your name to <BR>our list.<BR><BR>At your service,<BR><BR><BR>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR><SPAN>URL: <<A href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/archers-atlantia.sca.org/attachments/20100402/219c9c72/attachment.html">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/pipermail/archers-atlantia.sca.org/attachments/20100402/219c9c72/attachment.html</A>></SPAN><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:13:45 -0400<BR>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>Subject: [Archers] Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for<BR> comments)<BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4BB625C9.1060306@virginia.edu">4BB625C9.1060306@virginia.edu</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Noble friends,<BR><BR>Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian <BR>fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.<BR><BR><BR>1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.<BR><BR>2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are <BR>interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other <BR>official kingdom or local activities.<BR><BR>3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow <BR>smithing and fletching.<BR><BR>4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared <BR>knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and local A&S <BR>programs.<BR><BR>5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an <BR>advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow <BR>orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar <BR>officer.<BR><BR><BR>Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern <BR>target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow <BR>bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly <BR>related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags, <BR>bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the <BR>group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not <BR>seen as central to the group's activities at this time.<BR><BR>One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the <BR>fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should <BR>be on a separate forum.<BR><BR>And would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they <BR>prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to <BR>keep it informal.)<BR><BR>Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all <BR>messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal. <BR>Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the <BR>fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or <BR>directly, and I will add your name to our list.<BR><BR>In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,<BR><BR><BR>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:24:15 -0400<BR>From: Siegfried <<A href="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz">siegfried@crossbows.biz</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Archers] Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for<BR> comments)<BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4BB6364F.70707@crossbows.biz">4BB6364F.70707@crossbows.biz</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>I wish to encourage your endeavor, as fletching is an excellent art<BR>form, and one not known widely enough as I see numerous people out<BR>buying arrows directly instead (at higher cost)<BR><BR>One thing I would humbly suggest though. That being to keep yourself<BR>much more informal, and without 'grand goals' like you've stated below<BR>(many of which would actually require kingdom law changes)<BR><BR>I've seen many such guilds fail, when they try to have grand goals and<BR>be formalized from the beginning, not the least of which because they<BR>perhaps turn off people from then as they don't agree w/ their ideals<BR>and/or see them as exclusive.<BR><BR>Whereas many of the most successful guilds have been just formed<BR>informally, and over time, if enough interest grows, natural sets of<BR>'guidelines' and 'goals' will present themselves and/or be granted.<BR><BR>In Service,<BR>Siegfried<BR><BR><BR>On 4/2/10 1:13 PM, Garth G. Groff wrote:<BR>> Noble friends,<BR>> <BR>> Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian<BR>> fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.<BR>> <BR>> 2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are<BR>> interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other<BR>> official kingdom or local activities.<BR>> <BR>> 3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow<BR>> smithing and fletching.<BR>> <BR>> 4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared<BR>> knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and local A&S<BR>> programs.<BR>> <BR>> 5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an<BR>> advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow<BR>> orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar<BR>> officer.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern<BR>> target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow<BR>> bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly<BR>> related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags,<BR>> bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the<BR>> group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not<BR>> seen as central to the group's activities at this time.<BR>> <BR>> One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the<BR>> fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should<BR>> be on a separate forum.<BR>> <BR>> And would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they<BR>> prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to<BR>> keep it informal.)<BR>> <BR>> Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all<BR>> messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal.<BR>> Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the<BR>> fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or<BR>> directly, and I will add your name to our list.<BR>> <BR>> In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Archers mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</A><BR><BR>-- <BR>Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust - Barony of Highland Foorde - Atlantia<BR><SPAN><A href="http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/">http://hf.atlantia.sca.org/</A> - <A href="http://crossbows.biz/">http://crossbows.biz/</A> - <A href="http://eliw.com/">http://eliw.com/</A></SPAN><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:43:23 -0400<BR>From: "Garth G. Groff" <<A href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Archers] fletchers guild<BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4BB63ACB.8060007@virginia.edu">4BB63ACB.8060007@virginia.edu</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<BR><BR>Lord Christophe,<BR><BR>Good points. I would like the idea of having our own list if the group <BR>grows large enough. As long as it's small, and if the regular members on <BR>the archers' list don't mind, we should probably stay here for now. It <BR>would also be cool to have a home page with contact information and <BR>maybe some graphics, especially if it is linked to the Kingdom A&S pages <BR>(since Atlantian archery pages don't lend themselves to this at the <BR>present time).<BR><BR>Yes, there will always be lurkers, contributors who don't do much, and <BR>people who get excited then quickly lose interest. As along as we have a <BR>good core, no problem. If just a few of the less excited catch fire (so <BR>to speak), then it is worth carrying everyone. There definitely won't be <BR>any criteria to be a member beyond the usual web courtesies.<BR><BR>Subject to approval by the June University autocrat, I propose to set up <BR>a table during the lunch hour to show off some of Lady Sarah's and my <BR>arrows, maybe fletch a few shafts, and generally talk up arrow building. <BR>Should anyone wish to share the table, and bring their own work, <BR>wonderful. It would be a great way to make new friends, recruit new <BR>fletchers, and promote archery in general. This is something we could <BR>all do at various tournaments, especially those with a strong archery <BR>agenda.<BR><BR>Kind regards,<BR><BR><BR>Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<BR><BR>John Atkins wrote:<BR>> Mungo,<BR>> I'm liking this idea. I would suggest we have our own Yahoo list to <BR>> converse on, although we all know the archers list could use the <BR>> traffic! I think if we had our own Yahoo list then we could possibly <BR>> consider opening it up to other traditional but non SCA folks. Just a <BR>> thought. I'm thinking of a list I'm on of primitive archers in <BR>> Michigan. While they attempt period reenactment, they are not SCA. <BR>> Some of them will be in attendance at SAAD through my prodding.<BR>> <BR>> One issue I do have with the group though is membership. While I am <BR>> not a big fan of strict criteria for membership to guilds I do rankle <BR>> at those who join things like this for the "apparent" status but do <BR>> nothing to contribute. Cookie collectors is what they are called. <BR>> Having said that, I foresee some joining the guild for one of it's <BR>> prime reasons, to learn. As such, when they first come in they may <BR>> not be significant contributors and I think that is fine. It's what <BR>> the guild is about. BUT I would like to see them do more than just <BR>> lurk on the list. A comment here and there, questions, suggestions, <BR>> "why don't we do it this way...". Activity. I just feel if you are <BR>> going to "wear the badge" then you represent something that you should <BR>> be an active, contributing member of. 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