[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 24
Aelfwynn Gyrthesdohtor
aelfwynn27 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 26 05:17:44 PDT 2015
1. I don't shoot a period bow at the moment. I might attend this event,
especially if someone can find me a short, light longbow to try. I pull
about 25 pounds at 25". My current recurve is rated at 35# at 28". It would
also depend on the date of the event.
2. I could teach a class on making Flemish strings. Modern methods only
though.
3. I would be interested in learning how to make early period accessories,
or at least what is appropriate.
4. A fair charge would be enough to cover the site and the meal given the
expected number of guests, whatever that happens to be. Whether or not
people would be able to afford it is a different matter. At the moment
there is no way I could pay $25 for an event. Also, remember there are
folks out here who don't eat venison.
Aelfwynn
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:13:18 -0400
> From: Garth Groff <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: [Archers] Trial Balloon: Period Archery Collegium
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> Noble Friends of the Bow,
>
> I'm just starting work on an event "aimed" at the period archers among
> us. Before I commit a lot of effort to this project, I want to run my
> idea by all of you to see if there is any real interest, and maybe pick
> up some of your ideas.
>
> The collegium would be a one-day event to be held near Charlottesville
> sometime during the fall of 2016. Open shooting at period targets and
> special shooting classes given on the range will be offered. Also there
> would be sit-down classes. I'm thinking six classes, so far: making
> period-style arrows (my class), thumb ring shooting (someone said they
> would do this), how to build period-style targets, and probably three
> other classes TBD. University credit can be arranged. A hearty lunch,
> possibly featuring venison stew would be provided in the gate fee. We
> can pretend the deer was poached from the King's forest.
>
> The event is for shooters of European period bows, yumi bows, horse
> bows, native American bows, and yes, crossbows too. Non-period shooters
> who are thinking of taking the plunge will be welcome, and can bring
> their modern bows, but hopefully we can find some period loaner bows for
> them to try. The site cap will be 20 guests plus staff. We have a lovely
> location in the Blue Ridge foothills west of Charlottesville.
>
> If this event works, we could expand it in the future to include more
> people and period/primitive camping across a whole weekend. See the
> current issue of PRIMITIVE ARCHER for great story on a non-SCA meet like
> this in Iowa.
>
> So here's what I need to hear from the archery community:
>
> 1. Would you possibly attend this event? (Just a straw poll for now!)
>
> 2. If you attended, would you be willing to teach a class? What would
> you teach?
>
> 3. What would you like to have presented that you don't know how to
> teach? Ideas, please. Flemish string-making? Flint napping? Period
> armguards? Rather than just history here, I'm looking for classes that
> teach skills or show garb and gear that can be copied.
>
> 4. What would you feel is a fair charge (remember there is going to be
> lunch)? $25?
>
> Please don't be shy. Let me hear your opinions and ideas. I need some
> serious buy-in from Atlantian archers before I go much further.
>
> Yours Aye,
>
>
> Lord Mungo Napier, The Archer of Mallard Lodge
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:38:02 -0400
> From: Miles de Locwode <milesdelocwode at cox.net>
> To: "archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
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> Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 21
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> I would like to know when COG started shooting with his eyes open??? He
> is the best night shooter we have? ;-)
>
> Miles
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> > 1. Warrant Class this Saturday (Garth Groff)
> > 2. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (loreleielkins at aol.com)
> > 3. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (jaynardone at comcast.net)
> > 4. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (deallac at juno.com)
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> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:41:25 -0400
> > From: Garth Groff <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> > To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org, Aelfwynn Gyrthesdohtor
> > <aelfwynn27 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Archers] Warrant Class this Saturday
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> > Noble Friends of the Bow,
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> > This Saturday I will be teaching the warrant class at Mallard Lodge in
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> > 1. Warrant Class this Saturday (Garth Groff)
> > 2. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (loreleielkins at aol.com)
> > 3. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (jaynardone at comcast.net)
> > 4. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (deallac at juno.com)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:41:25 -0400
> > From: Garth Groff <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> > To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org, Aelfwynn Gyrthesdohtor
> > <aelfwynn27 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Archers] Warrant Class this Saturday
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> > Noble Friends of the Bow,
> >
> > This Saturday I will be teaching the warrant class at Mallard Lodge in
> > Charlottesville. If anyone else is in need of a renewal, I would be
> > pleased to have you join us. The class starts at 10 a.m., and will be
> > followed with a lunch excursion for anyone interested. We are close to
> > an excellent and modestly-priced Chinese restaurant.
> >
> > Please let me know if you are interested, and I will forward driving
> > directions.
> >
> > Yours Aye,
> >
> >
> > Lord Mungo Napier, Atlantian Archery Teaching Marshal
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 07:09:08 -0400
> > From: loreleielkins at aol.com
> > To: cogworks at triad.rr.com, mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com,
> > jaynardone at comcast.net
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > Message-ID: <14e201b7912-2c57-13685 at webprd-a88.mail.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Cog, they were 4 inches across.....it's okay, you can't help it if
> you're so near sighted, and SOOOOOOOOOOOO ancient. :-P
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
> > To: 'michael sheppard' <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>; 'Jay Nardone' <
> jaynardone at comcast.net>
> > Cc: archers <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 9:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I totally agree with the sentiments expressed so far. We have a local
> marshal, it?s OK Lorelei, I won?t use your name, who likes to put 50 cent
> pieces at 40 or 50 yards as the target. These old eyes can?t even see the
> bloody thing much less attempt to aim at it. If I hit it, it is total luck.
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: jaynardone at comcast.net
> > To: loreleielkins at aol.com
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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> > Lol....
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> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: loreleielkins at aol.com
> > To: cogworks at triad.rr.com, mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com,
> jaynardone at comcast.net
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:09:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> >
> > Cog, they were 4 inches across.....it's okay, you can't help it if
> you're so near sighted, and SOOOOOOOOOOOO ancient. :-P
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
> > To: 'michael sheppard' <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>; 'Jay Nardone' <
> jaynardone at comcast.net>
> > Cc: archers <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 9:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> >
> > I totally agree with the sentiments expressed so far. We have a local
> marshal, it?s OK Lorelei, I won?t use your name, who likes to put 50 cent
> pieces at 40 or 50 yards as the target. These old eyes can?t even see the
> bloody thing much less attempt to aim at it. If I hit it, it is total luck.
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:41:25 GMT
> > From: "deallac at juno.com" <deallac at juno.com>
> > To: jaynardone at comcast.net
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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> > Janyn, I am not usually a 'ditto for me' type of person, but well put. I
> would like to add my $.02 that not only are we all here for fun, butwhat
> we, as an Atlantian Archery community, have developed over the years isan
> environment of challenge. When I first started shooting with theSCA, there
> was rarely anything other than Royal Rounds or othercompetitions using the
> same RR target (ie - double elim tourneys based onscores against the 5
> ringer). The challenges of shooting at moving targets,partially hidden
> targets, off center goals, weird body positioning, etc... have made this
> amuch more interesting activity. Yes, it's a challenge, and yes, sometimes
> pure luck can come into play, but, it'sbetter than the same boring thing,
> |: over and :| over..... again :)(please excuse the musical notation for
> repetition, but it was less typing - or,don't excuse it and just enjoy it
> :)) Dealla
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: jaynardone at comcast.net
> > To: "archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" <
> archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > Subject: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:45:07 +0000 (UTC)
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon my Esteemed Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. I write you
> today with a heavy heart and great sadness over an incident that occurred
> at the event last weekend on the Archery range. I had to take a step back
> myself for a few hours before I wrote this to assure that I am not
> conveying emotion but rather fact myself. Also when these things occur I
> like to approach them like the NTSB at an accident, (okay stop laughing at
> the geeky engineer :P ) Unfortunately this was no accident, accidents are
> something that occur out of our control and unfortunately in this case the
> "out of their control" was very much in their control but for whatever
> reasons, didnt work out the best way. There are a few areas I want to touch
> on in this note so I will take them one at a time to be as clear as I
> possibly can.... 1. It seems an archer was upset with the design of the
> shoot and that their score was adversely effected because of the element of
> luck designed into the shoot. In giving
> t
> > hem the benefit of the doubt that they were genuinely just very
> "passionate" about their position or just having a "bad day" they lost
> sense of reality and ended up berating the MIC and other MiT's and archers
> who were in range of the shouting on the range. This makes me think of two
> points here: A.) If anyone (archers, marshals, etc...) has an issue with
> the shoot design you have two simple choices. Dont shoot, go do something
> else or deal with it and shoot. We are all out there (or should be) for one
> reason, FUN! Yes many of us are competitive, hey you wont find someone else
> more competitive than me, but I would never ruin someone's or a group's fun
> over something so silly as my score unless I found blatant cheating or
> cause that effected my score, which was not the case here. I know some
> archers don't like the introduction of "chance" into a shoot design, but I
> know many of us welcome it and actually think it is a refreshing break to
> the outcome. It is the very reason
>
> > I chose D&D for this year's SSB shoot, it allows archers to use their
> skills but their scores can change drastically simply based on a dice roll.
> I gave up 40 points on one target because I shot 4 different slots that
> were zero's, oh well that was my choice to shoot those spots not the shoot
> designer! B.) Okay point "B", if there is an incident like this on the
> range you as MIC, marshal, MiT, etc don't and shouldn't handle it alone.
> While these incidents are very very rare, this is only the 2nd I remember
> since I joined in 2007, and I thank you all for that; they do occur. Once
> again at this event like the other, the DEM, EDEM and 2 or 3 regional's
> were all there on the range. I applaud my marshals for being strong enough
> to handle the issues but I and my staff cant help you if we don't know
> about it! Like most of these issues, I didnt know about it until I got
> contacted by a Count or two who are my friends but also concerned about
> their people. We have very straightforward
>
> > rules for people who become combative, unruly or just out of control. I
> have zero tolerance for those actions and they would have been removed from
> the range immediately! So please if this ever occurs again (lets hope
> not!), simply ask the person to "Wait a minute" and send someone to get
> someone from the Marshalette officer structure. Okay back to number one.
> This was uncalled for and had no business happening! Especially in public
> on the range in front of those who had to hear it's ugliness. In times when
> we are wondering why our numbers are dwindling, this is not the behavior to
> be conducting ourselves too accordingly. When I was welcomed into the
> Atlantia archery community years ago, it was a warm and friendly welcome.
> That is what Atlantia archery is! We are no drama, no whining and no
> haters, period! Okay enough of my soapbox, the SCA is a "Self policing"
> society and I know the Archery community has been very good at it in the
> past. I guess all I will say is something
>
> > my Mother used to tell me, "that if you cant say anything nice, don't
> say anything at all!" Our shoot coordinators spend a great deal of time and
> money and effort to put these shoots on for us and I challenge you if you
> feel they are so wrong to put together a shoot the way you would like too
> and invite us all to participate in your shoot! I like the diversity of
> shoots we have in our Kingdom and the creativity of our archers and
> marshals and applaud them all. Now enough of the silliness, lets focus on
> positive energy and go have some fun! In Service, Janyn
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:20:22 -0400
> From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
> To: "'Miles de Locwode'" <milesdelocwode at cox.net>,
> <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 21
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> They're open, they just don't work anymore!
>
> cog
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf
> Of Miles de Locwode
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 5:38 PM
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 21
>
> I would like to know when COG started shooting with his eyes open??? He is
> the best night shooter we have? ;-)
>
> Miles
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > 1. Warrant Class this Saturday (Garth Groff)
> > 2. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (loreleielkins at aol.com)
> > 3. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (jaynardone at comcast.net)
> > 4. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (deallac at juno.com)
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:41:25 -0400
> > From: Garth Groff <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> > To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org, Aelfwynn Gyrthesdohtor
> > <aelfwynn27 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Archers] Warrant Class this Saturday
> > Message-ID: <55891BB5.3000105 at embarqmail.com>
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> > Noble Friends of the Bow,
> >
> > This Saturday I will be teaching the warrant class at Mallard Lodge in
> > Send Archers mailing list submissions to
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Warrant Class this Saturday (Garth Groff)
> > 2. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (loreleielkins at aol.com)
> > 3. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > (jaynardone at comcast.net)
> > 4. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (deallac at juno.com)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:41:25 -0400
> > From: Garth Groff <sarahsan at embarqmail.com>
> > To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org, Aelfwynn Gyrthesdohtor
> > <aelfwynn27 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Archers] Warrant Class this Saturday
> > Message-ID: <55891BB5.3000105 at embarqmail.com>
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> > Noble Friends of the Bow,
> >
> > This Saturday I will be teaching the warrant class at Mallard Lodge in
> > Charlottesville. If anyone else is in need of a renewal, I would be
> > pleased to have you join us. The class starts at 10 a.m., and will be
> > followed with a lunch excursion for anyone interested. We are close to
> > an excellent and modestly-priced Chinese restaurant.
> >
> > Please let me know if you are interested, and I will forward driving
> > directions.
> >
> > Yours Aye,
> >
> >
> > Lord Mungo Napier, Atlantian Archery Teaching Marshal
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 07:09:08 -0400
> > From: loreleielkins at aol.com
> > To: cogworks at triad.rr.com, mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com,
> > jaynardone at comcast.net
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > Message-ID: <14e201b7912-2c57-13685 at webprd-a88.mail.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Cog, they were 4 inches across.....it's okay, you can't help it if
> > you're so near sighted, and SOOOOOOOOOOOO ancient. :-P
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
> > To: 'michael sheppard' <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>; 'Jay Nardone'
> > <jaynardone at comcast.net>
> > Cc: archers <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 9:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I totally agree with the sentiments expressed so far. We have a local
> marshal, it?s OK Lorelei, I won?t use your name, who likes to put 50 cent
> pieces at 40 or 50 yards as the target. These old eyes can?t even see the
> bloody thing much less attempt to aim at it. If I hit it, it is total
> luck.
>
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: jaynardone at comcast.net
> > To: loreleielkins at aol.com
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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> > Lol....
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: loreleielkins at aol.com
> > To: cogworks at triad.rr.com, mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com,
> > jaynardone at comcast.net
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:09:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> >
> > Cog, they were 4 inches across.....it's okay, you can't help it if
> > you're so near sighted, and SOOOOOOOOOOOO ancient. :-P
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
> > To: 'michael sheppard' <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>; 'Jay Nardone'
> > <jaynardone at comcast.net>
> > Cc: archers <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2015 9:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> >
> > I totally agree with the sentiments expressed so far. We have a local
> marshal, it?s OK Lorelei, I won?t use your name, who likes to put 50 cent
> pieces at 40 or 50 yards as the target. These old eyes can?t even see the
> bloody thing much less attempt to aim at it. If I hit it, it is total luck.
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:41:25 GMT
> > From: "deallac at juno.com" <deallac at juno.com>
> > To: jaynardone at comcast.net
> > Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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> > Janyn, I am not usually a 'ditto for me' type of person, but well put.
> > I would like to add my $.02 that not only are we all here for fun,
> > butwhat we, as an Atlantian Archery community, have developed over
> > the years isan environment of challenge. When I first started
> > shooting with theSCA, there was rarely anything other than Royal
> > Rounds or othercompetitions using the same RR target (ie - double elim
> > tourneys based onscores against the 5 ringer). The challenges of
> > shooting at moving targets,partially hidden targets, off center goals,
> > weird body positioning, etc... have made this amuch more interesting
> > activity. Yes, it's a challenge, and yes, sometimes pure luck can
> > come into play, but, it'sbetter than the same boring thing, |: over
> > and :| over..... again :)(please excuse the musical notation for
> > repetition, but it was less typing - or,don't excuse it and just enjoy
> > it :)) Dealla
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: jaynardone at comcast.net
> > To: "archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
> > <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > Subject: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:45:07 +0000 (UTC)
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon my Esteemed Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. I write
> > you today with a heavy heart and great sadness over an incident that
> > occurred at the event last weekend on the Archery range. I had to take
> > a step back myself for a few hours before I wrote this to assure that
> > I am not conveying emotion but rather fact myself. Also when these
> > things occur I like to approach them like the NTSB at an accident,
> > (okay stop laughing at the geeky engineer :P ) Unfortunately this was
> > no accident, accidents are something that occur out of our control and
> > unfortunately in this case the "out of their control" was very much in
> > their control but for whatever reasons, didnt work out the best way.
> > There are a few areas I want to touch on in this note so I will take
> > them one at a time to be as clear as I possibly can.... 1. It seems an
> > archer was upset with the design of the shoot and that their score was
> > adversely effected because of the element of luck designed into the
> > shoot. In giving
> t
> > hem the benefit of the doubt that they were genuinely just very
> "passionate" about their position or just having a "bad day" they lost
> sense
> of reality and ended up berating the MIC and other MiT's and archers who
> were in range of the shouting on the range. This makes me think of two
> points here: A.) If anyone (archers, marshals, etc...) has an issue with
> the shoot design you have two simple choices. Dont shoot, go do something
> else or deal with it and shoot. We are all out there (or should be) for one
> reason, FUN! Yes many of us are competitive, hey you wont find someone else
> more competitive than me, but I would never ruin someone's or a group's fun
> over something so silly as my score unless I found blatant cheating or
> cause
> that effected my score, which was not the case here. I know some archers
> don't like the introduction of "chance" into a shoot design, but I know
> many
> of us welcome it and actually think it is a refreshing break to the
> outcome.
> It is the very reason
>
> > I chose D&D for this year's SSB shoot, it allows archers to use their
> > skills but their scores can change drastically simply based on a dice
> > roll. I gave up 40 points on one target because I shot 4 different
> > slots that were zero's, oh well that was my choice to shoot those
> > spots not the shoot designer! B.) Okay point "B", if there is an
> > incident like this on the range you as MIC, marshal, MiT, etc don't
> > and shouldn't handle it alone. While these incidents are very very
> > rare, this is only the 2nd I remember since I joined in 2007, and I
> > thank you all for that; they do occur. Once again at this event like
> > the other, the DEM, EDEM and 2 or 3 regional's were all there on the
> > range. I applaud my marshals for being strong enough to handle the
> > issues but I and my staff cant help you if we don't know about it!
> > Like most of these issues, I didnt know about it until I got contacted
> > by a Count or two who are my friends but also concerned about their
> > people. We have very straightforward
>
> > rules for people who become combative, unruly or just out of control.
> > I have zero tolerance for those actions and they would have been
> > removed from the range immediately! So please if this ever occurs
> > again (lets hope not!), simply ask the person to "Wait a minute" and
> > send someone to get someone from the Marshalette officer structure.
> > Okay back to number one. This was uncalled for and had no business
> > happening! Especially in public on the range in front of those who had
> > to hear it's ugliness. In times when we are wondering why our numbers
> > are dwindling, this is not the behavior to be conducting ourselves too
> > accordingly. When I was welcomed into the Atlantia archery community
> > years ago, it was a warm and friendly welcome. That is what Atlantia
> > archery is! We are no drama, no whining and no haters, period! Okay
> > enough of my soapbox, the SCA is a "Self policing" society and I know
> > the Archery community has been very good at it in the past. I guess
> > all I will say is something
>
> > my Mother used to tell me, "that if you cant say anything nice, don't say
> anything at all!" Our shoot coordinators spend a great deal of time and
> money and effort to put these shoots on for us and I challenge you if you
> feel they are so wrong to put together a shoot the way you would like too
> and invite us all to participate in your shoot! I like the diversity of
> shoots we have in our Kingdom and the creativity of our archers and
> marshals
> and applaud them all. Now enough of the silliness, lets focus on positive
> energy and go have some fun! In Service, Janyn
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