From lanhamlaw at att.net  Thu Sep  4 21:34:47 2014
From: lanhamlaw at att.net (Stephen Kiefert)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:34:47 -0700
Subject: [Archers] archers guild
Message-ID: <1409891687.55335.YahooMailNeo@web181506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

A while back there was some mention of a guild.   I have run across a copy of Fletch and Point, a newsletter put out by Earl Sir Dafydd ap Gwystl in 1988.  It includes a charter for the Atlantian Bowman's Guild signed by Barry and Simone Sept 24 AS XXIII.  It also talks about introducing royal rounds to Atlantia - no one had shot 3 rounds yet.  An article details the construction of a golf tube combat arrow.

 
Stefan of Cambion
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From jaynardone at comcast.net  Fri Sep  5 09:52:36 2014
From: jaynardone at comcast.net (Jay Nardone)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:52:36 -0400
Subject: [Archers] archers guild
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Master Stefan, thank you for that information. This is the first I am
hearing about this. I will need to start the inquiry to see what information
I can find and see how we can proceed with the guild.

 

In Service,

 

Janyn

 

 

 

From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf
Of Stephen Kiefert
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 12:35 AM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] archers guild

 

A while back there was some mention of a guild.   I have run across a copy
of Fletch and Point, a newsletter put out by Earl Sir Dafydd ap Gwystl in
1988.  It includes a charter for the Atlantian Bowman's Guild signed by
Barry and Simone Sept 24 AS XXIII.  It also talks about introducing royal
rounds to Atlantia - no one had shot 3 rounds yet.  An article details the
construction of a golf tube combat arrow.

 

Stefan of Cambion

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From esaingheandonnchaidh at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 15:49:20 2014
From: esaingheandonnchaidh at yahoo.com (Esa inghean Donnchaidh)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 15:49:20 -0700
Subject: [Archers] Leather conditioning wax
Message-ID: <1409957360.94098.YahooMailIosMobile@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Greetings Archery Braintrust!<br/><br/>I purchased a new quiver at Pennsic. This one is real leather (my last one was pleather), and I received a little jar of conditioning wax when I bought it. The merchant said the conditioner was made from beeswax and some natural oils, but seeing as he didn't make it, he couldn't tell me the exact ingredients. It's very soft and absorbs quickly and evenly into the leather. <br/><br/>Any ideas what it's made of? Suggestions? So I can make more to replace it when it's gone.  What do you all use to condition your leather in your archery kits? <a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a>
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From loreleielkins at aol.com  Fri Sep  5 16:42:54 2014
From: loreleielkins at aol.com (loreleielkins at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:42:54 -0400
Subject: [Archers] archers guild
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I have a copy of the charter on my other computer.  I'll post it when I get back home from NY.


Lorelei



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From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: archers <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Fri, Sep 5, 2014 12:34 am
Subject: [Archers] archers guild



A while back there was some mention of a guild.   I have run across a copy of Fletch and Point, a newsletter put out by Earl Sir Dafydd ap Gwystl in 1988.  It includes a charter for the Atlantian Bowman's Guild signed by Barry and Simone Sept 24 AS XXIII.  It also talks about introducing royal rounds to Atlantia - no one had shot 3 rounds yet.  An article details the construction of a golf tube combat arrow.

 
Stefan of Cambion




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From cogworks at triad.rr.com  Fri Sep  5 18:53:17 2014
From: cogworks at triad.rr.com (John Atkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Leather conditioning wax
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Many leather conditioners have animal oils in them, i.e. mink oil  Animal
oils actually speed up the decay of leather.  I use Lexol which is a
synthetic leather cleaner/conditioner.  You can get it at auto supply stores
as it is sold to recondition leather auto seats.  Works very well and being
synthetic does not advance the decay of leather.

 

Cog

 

 

From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf
Of Esa inghean Donnchaidh
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 6:49 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Leather conditioning wax

 


Greetings Archery Braintrust!

I purchased a new quiver at Pennsic. This one is real leather (my last one
was pleather), and I received a little jar of conditioning wax when I bought
it. The merchant said the conditioner was made from beeswax and some natural
oils, but seeing as he didn't make it, he couldn't tell me the exact
ingredients. It's very soft and absorbs quickly and evenly into the leather.


Any ideas what it's made of? Suggestions? So I can make more to replace it
when it's gone. What do you all use to condition your leather in your
archery kits?  <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS> 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 

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From sarahsan at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep  6 01:58:15 2014
From: sarahsan at embarqmail.com (Garth Groff)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 04:58:15 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Leather conditioning wax
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M'Lady Esa, Greetings.

I'm not familiar with this preparation, but it sounds like it would work 
just fine. In period such dressings might have been heated beeswax and 
tallow, which was used to seal arrows. Sounds like it would remain 
sticky and might attract bugs, doesn't it? I hope your preparation is a 
vast improvement.

Armor All makes several products for treating leather, and I have used 
their liquid on arm guards and archery gloves: 
http://www.armorall.com/product-types/leather/ . This stuff isn't 
period, but you do get that neat Viking guy for a spokesman. :~) I think 
this winter when things are slow, it will be time to treat all our 
archery leathers again.

Sad to say, your quiver will get banged up someday. Just like your 
arrows, it will have a finite life and is going to look scruffy someday 
(let's hope that's a long time coming). OTOH, scruffy was probably 
typical of such gear in period. That's no reason not to take good care 
of it in the meantime.

Yours Aye,


Lord Mungo Napier, The Archer of Mallard Lodge

On 9/5/14 6:49 PM, Esa inghean Donnchaidh wrote:
> Greetings Archery Braintrust!
>
> I purchased a new quiver at Pennsic. This one is real leather (my last 
> one was pleather), and I received a little jar of conditioning wax 
> when I bought it. The merchant said the conditioner was made from 
> beeswax and some natural oils, but seeing as he didn't make it, he 
> couldn't tell me the exact ingredients. It's very soft and absorbs 
> quickly and evenly into the leather.
>
> Any ideas what it's made of? Suggestions? So I can make more to 
> replace it when it's gone. What do you all use to condition your 
> leather in your archery kits?
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From camerondegrey at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 06:45:40 2014
From: camerondegrey at gmail.com (Cameron deGrey)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:45:40 -0400
Subject: [Archers] archers guild
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Can we get, or see a scan of that? It would be bee bedtime reading :p


YIS respectfully,
Lord Cameron de Grey


On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jay Nardone <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:

> Master Stefan, thank you for that information. This is the first I am
> hearing about this. I will need to start the inquiry to see what
> information I can find and see how we can proceed with the guild.
>
>
>
> In Service,
>
>
>
> Janyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Archers [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Stephen Kiefert
> *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2014 12:35 AM
> *To:* archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> *Subject:* [Archers] archers guild
>
>
>
> A while back there was some mention of a guild.   I have run across a copy
> of Fletch and Point, a newsletter put out by Earl Sir Dafydd ap Gwystl in
> 1988.  It includes a charter for the Atlantian Bowman's Guild signed by
> Barry and Simone Sept 24 AS XXIII.  It also talks about introducing royal
> rounds to Atlantia - no one had shot 3 rounds yet.  An article details the
> construction of a golf tube combat arrow.
>
>
>
> Stefan of Cambion
>
> _______________________________________________
> Archers mailing list
> Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
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From jaynardone at comcast.net  Thu Sep 11 09:09:43 2014
From: jaynardone at comcast.net (jaynardone at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:09:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Archers] PVC Bows disallowed in Atlantia
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Message-ID: <1649382928.20590023.1410451783116.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>

Good afternoon my Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. As most of you know last year the issue concerning PVC bows and safety came up. At that time I did not want to make a Kingdom wide ruling without having more data. I left the decisions to our MIC's at each event to be able to evaluate the bows in question. As a scientist in mundane life, I like to base my decisions on data, fact and testing. Over this past year that is exactly what I and other DEM / Archer Generals did. At Pennsic this year we all got together, (both combat archery DEMs and TA DEMs) to discuss our findings and research. Also 2 bows were constructed that were left in the UV light as much as possible to simulate being out in the sun during the year at events. We also built two bows the first few days of Pennsic at Pennsic and each of us took turns shooting them and recording the number of shots through these bows. 

Without going into all of the details here, the data and testing was damning enough that most of us agreed we would no longer support PVC bows in our respective Kingdoms. The two new bows we built were already showing stress cracks in the PVC after hundreds of shots. While this was not the only evidence we had, that based on the research data we had about the chemicals used in PVC and their volatility in sun light, it was a much easier time to make a decision. 

So, at this time I am making the ruling that PVC bows are disallowed in Atlantia for Target Archery. I obviously don't speak for CA and they will need to make their own ruling. I will be updating the TA handbook and our teaching materials and ultimately our rules to reflect this decision. For all of our marshals, if you get archers that show up with these bows, please be polite and explain to them our ruling and that they can easily find a better replacement in the cheap fiberglass bows or a good used wood bow. My desire is to keep everyone safe and I just cant continue to let these accidents waiting to happen exist on our ranges. 

In Service 

Janyn 


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From sarahsan at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 11 13:02:33 2014
From: sarahsan at embarqmail.com (Garth Groff)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:02:33 -0400
Subject: [Archers] PVC Bows disallowed in Atlantia
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M'Lord Janyn,

Thanks much for all your hard work on this question. I have one archer 
who brought such a bow, but though he has not been active on the range. 
I will offer him a loaner bow if he comes back.

However, did the DEMs consider horse archery? Does this type of archery 
fall under your watch, or is horse archery covered by combat or 
equestrian DEMs? I suspect there will be some cross-over to static 
practice as equestrian activities grow in popularity.

Yours Aye,


Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal-in-Charge

On 9/11/14 12:09 PM, jaynardone at comcast.net wrote:
> Good afternoon my Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. As most of you know 
> last year the issue concerning PVC bows and safety came up. At that 
> time I did not want to make a Kingdom wide ruling without having more 
> data. I left the decisions to our MIC's at each event to be able to 
> evaluate the bows in question.  As a scientist in mundane life, I like 
> to base my decisions on data, fact and testing. Over this past year 
> that is exactly what I and other DEM / Archer Generals did. At Pennsic 
> this year we  all got together, (both combat archery DEMs and TA DEMs) 
> to discuss our findings and research. Also 2 bows were constructed 
> that were left in the UV light as much as possible to simulate being 
> out in the sun during the year at events. We also built two bows the 
> first few days of Pennsic at Pennsic and each of us took turns 
> shooting them and recording the number of shots through these bows.
>
> Without going into all of the details here, the data and testing was 
> damning enough that most of us agreed we would no longer support PVC 
> bows in our respective Kingdoms. The two new bows we built were 
> already showing stress cracks in the PVC after hundreds of shots. 
> While this was not the only evidence we had, that based on the 
> research data we had about the chemicals used in PVC and their 
> volatility in sun light, it was a much easier time to make a decision.
>
> So, at this time I am making the ruling that PVC bows are disallowed 
> in Atlantia for Target Archery. I obviously don't speak for CA and 
> they will need to make their own ruling. I will be updating the TA 
> handbook and our teaching materials and ultimately our rules to 
> reflect this decision. For all of our marshals, if you get archers 
> that show up with these bows, please be polite and explain to them our 
> ruling and that they can easily find a better replacement in the cheap 
> fiberglass bows or a good used wood bow. My desire is to keep everyone 
> safe and I just cant continue to let these accidents waiting to happen 
> exist on our ranges.
>
> In Service
>
> Janyn
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
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From jaynardone at comcast.net  Thu Sep 11 14:49:27 2014
From: jaynardone at comcast.net (Jay Nardone)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:49:27 -0400
Subject: [Archers] PVC Bows disallowed in Atlantia
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Lord Mungo, thank you we wanted to be thorough before making a final
decision. In Atlantia mounted archery still falls under us so all applies. 

 

In Service,

 

Janyn

 

 

From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf
Of Garth Groff
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:03 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] PVC Bows disallowed in Atlantia

 

M'Lord Janyn,

Thanks much for all your hard work on this question. I have one archer who
brought such a bow, but though he has not been active on the range. I will
offer him a loaner bow if he comes back.

However, did the DEMs consider horse archery? Does this type of archery fall
under your watch, or is horse archery covered by combat or equestrian DEMs?
I suspect there will be some cross-over to static practice as equestrian
activities grow in popularity.

Yours Aye,


Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal-in-Charge

On 9/11/14 12:09 PM, jaynardone at comcast.net <mailto:jaynardone at comcast.net>
wrote:

Good afternoon my Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. As most of you know last
year the issue concerning PVC bows and safety came up. At that time I did
not want to make a Kingdom wide ruling without having more data. I left the
decisions to our MIC's at each event to be able to evaluate the bows in
question.  As a scientist in mundane life, I like to base my decisions on
data, fact and testing. Over this past year that is exactly what I and other
DEM / Archer Generals did. At Pennsic this year we  all got together, (both
combat archery DEMs and TA DEMs) to discuss our findings and research. Also
2 bows were constructed that were left in the UV light as much as possible
to simulate being out in the sun during the year at events. We also built
two bows the first few days of Pennsic at Pennsic and each of us took turns
shooting them and recording the number of shots through these bows.

 

Without going into all of the details here, the data and testing was damning
enough that most of us agreed we would no longer support PVC bows in our
respective Kingdoms. The two new bows we built were already showing stress
cracks in the PVC after hundreds of shots. While this was not the only
evidence we had, that based on the research data we had about the chemicals
used in PVC and their volatility in sun light, it was a much easier time to
make a decision.

 

So, at this time I am making the ruling that PVC bows are disallowed in
Atlantia for Target Archery. I obviously don't speak for CA and they will
need to make their own ruling. I will be updating the TA handbook and our
teaching materials and ultimately our rules to reflect this decision. For
all of our marshals, if you get archers that show up with these bows, please
be polite and explain to them our ruling and that they can easily find a
better replacement in the cheap fiberglass bows or a good used wood bow. My
desire is to keep everyone safe and I just cant continue to let these
accidents waiting to happen exist on our ranges.

 

In Service

 

Janyn

 

 






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From sarahsan at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep 15 14:05:33 2014
From: sarahsan at embarqmail.com (Garth Groff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:05:33 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Ben Pearson Bows
Message-ID: <5417549D.60209@embarqmail.com>

Noble Friends of the Bow,

This past weekend I hit the jackpot at a yard sale, coming up with three 
fiberglass bows in good condition to add to my loaner kit. Curiosity 
about what I had sent me digging around on the web, and I found a 
wonderful site with Ben Pearson archery catalogs: 
http://www.benpearsonarchery.net/bows.html . If you take an interest in 
Ben Pearson bows, or old bows in general, this site has a lot of good 
information, though you have to tease it out of the catalog descriptions.

The Ben Pearson bow I bought turned out to be a #306 Fiberglass "Take 
Down" (a socket-type). This bow was introduced in 1954, probably the 
first glass-fiber bow in the line (there was also a slightly smaller one 
available in 1954), and was carried on into the 1955 catalog. The 1956 
catalog is missing, and this bow does not appear among the smaller 
take-downs in the 1957 listings. The bow is 5' 6" long, and made 
entirely of fiberglass, factory-painted a light tan (described as 
"cowhorn"), with a horsehide grip and dual arrow shelves at the top of 
the grip. Ben Pearson's signature in gold lettering is on a decal, and 
the number "306" appears just below the grip. It was available in 45-85 
pound weights at 5 pound intervals. Mine draws at 42 pounds, not bad for 
a bow almost as old as I am. Once I cleaned it up with a little alcohol, 
it appeared to be in near-mint condition, and there are certainly no 
visible cracks. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, as it takes a 
string that I did not have in stock. An order to 3Rivers went out this 
morning. I did string it briefly with a 1" shorter string, and the limbs 
curve correctly, but the brace height is 8", and I believe that is too 
high to be safe.

In scanning through the catalogs, I noticed the infamous Ben Pearson 
"Jet Bows", which were introduced in 1957, and continued past Pearson's 
ownership into the Leisure Sports-era of the late 1960s beyond. I have 
had several Jet Bows, and find their history interesting. These were 
fiberglass youth bows with a molded rubber grip, made in several sizes 
and draw weights. These were numbered in the 33X series (I noted one 
numbered 444 in the catalogs). The models were variously knows as Jet, 
Power-Jet, Super-Jet and Strato-Jet. Around 1967, the year Pearson 
retired and sold his company, bows began to have a four-digit model 
number. The basic Jet Bow became 3330 and so on. Jet Bows were also sold 
by at least two other vendors, perhaps made by Pearson/Leisure Sports, 
or maybe made under license. I own a Loxley 0333, which due to a crack 
is in my "dead bow" collection. Those of you who have taken the warrant 
class from me all had a chance to handle this one. I had another in the 
Shire loaner kit which was also cracked, and was marked with another 
brand name I've forgotten, but still with the 33X numbering. I believe 
this is one I gave to Ivaar for his teaching kit. Another from the Shire 
loaners, a true Ben Pearson, is also retired to my teaching kit with 
severe limb damage.

The reason I'm going on about these Jet Bows is because there are still 
a lot of them floating around, and they are very dangerous. The 
fiberglass tends to separate and peel lengthwise. You can get some very 
interesting splinters on these, and the limb ends tend to deteriorate 
badly. Of the eight or so I've come across, only two appeared safe to 
shoot. One in good condition was in use by a Scadian (IIRC, I inspected 
this very carefully at Pennsic and saw no separations). The second was 
for sale at an antiques mall. I passed.

I was also pleased to be able to ID two other Ben Pearson bows I own, or 
used to own. One was a Pony model, introduced in 1963. This was a really 
lovely little fiberglass/wood recurve, but with odd nylon pegs for arrow 
rests. Without a cut-out arrow rest, it shot far to the left, as if it 
were a traditional bow shot off the hand. I eventually removed the pegs, 
and experimented with shooting it off my hand. It was not the sort of 
bow to give to a beginner, so I traded it to one of the dealers at 
Pennsic. The other was a Cougar recurve. Mine was model 7050, first 
showing up in the 1969 catalog. This was my second bow in the SCA, and I 
shot it for several years until I switched to a longbow. Sadly, the 
Cougar has a system of very fine horizontal cracks on the bow's back 
where the upper limb meets the grip. This is a problem I've seen with 
other older recurves, and suggests either the fiberglass itself is weak, 
or there is a weakness in the wood underneath which is causing the glass 
overflex. This is something all marshals should watch for. The Cougar 
was also retired to the dead bow collection.

A couple of other things I would like to mention before I close. A lot 
of Ben Pearson's early bows were backed with silk, something I've never 
heard of before. These were mostly his high-end bows. By the 1940s, most 
of the mid-quality bows were backed with "fiber", and later "vulcanized 
fiber". It isn't clear to me with this was, or what it looked like, but 
it does not appear to be fiberglass. I had always thought fiberglass 
dated from the late 1940s, and I have another dead bow, a York Archery 
longbow with fiberglass backing (one side of the limbs only), that 
appears to be from this era. Pearson did not introduce a "glass-powered" 
bow until 1955.

It is amazing what you can find here. I wish I could find a similar site 
for Bear bows. I would love to know how old by Bear/Sears Hawk is.

I hope some of you will look over this site. It is quite interesting. 
Perhaps this will spark more discussion and information sharing here.

Yours Aye,


Lord Mungo Napier, The Archer of Mallard Lodge

From cogworks at triad.rr.com  Mon Sep 15 15:01:28 2014
From: cogworks at triad.rr.com (John Atkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:01:28 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Ben Pearson Bows
In-Reply-To: <5417549D.60209@embarqmail.com>
References: <5417549D.60209@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bf01cfd130$999f40e0$ccddc2a0$@triad.rr.com>

Mungo,
What a find!  I have an all wood bow that came to me because the riser was
separating.  I fixed it and the original owner didn't really want it back (I
also made him a dozen arrows for no charge).  I was told it was a lemon wood
Ben Pearson as there were no markings on the bow.  With your reference I
found what appears to be that bow, or at least very similar bows.  Turns out
it is 1940's vintage.  How cool is that? It draws about 30 pounds and I
backed it with snake skin for effect.  It's very cool and now I know the
approximate year of its creation.  

Thanks,
C:-)g


From grimm at grimmsfield.com  Wed Sep 17 13:19:38 2014
From: grimm at grimmsfield.com (Grimm)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Sunday at Grimmsfield
Message-ID: <000301cfd2b4$b9a3cde0$2ceb69a0$@grimmsfield.com>

TL:DR Archery Sunday at Grimmsfield 1 to 4.

A dual celebration at Grimmsfield this weekend!!!! On September 19, 1356, in
a landmark battle of the Hundred Years' War, English Prince Edward defeats
the French at Poitiers. Which is enough reason to have an archery shoot, but
also to celebrate the birthday of the greatest barony in the known world we
will shoot at Grimmsfield this Sunday from 1 till 4 pm. For those of you who
could not make it to our celebration because of MAAD, here is your chance to
come and shoot with us. (or me at least, I do not know who else will show
up). Either way, It's time to shoot! Snacks and munchies are always welcome.
Any other marshals that want to hold an impromptu practice, there is plenty
of space! For more information please see www.grimmsfield.com.

Hope to see you there,

Grimm

 

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From michaelstuart at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 19:34:59 2014
From: michaelstuart at gmail.com (Michael)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 22:34:59 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 132, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1410894553.28744.archers-atlantia.sca.org@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
References: <mailman.1.1410894553.28744.archers-atlantia.sca.org@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Message-ID: <CABPW2CeR5HA0yFpjjQc+GH6hqFZ_bq-bu0ki2JoZcC_dddGunQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Lord Mungo,

More information indeed. Apparently Bear bows can be dated by their
medallion; there is a photo on the page at
http://archeryfreaks.weebly.com/what-year-is-your-bear-archery-bow.html
that shows the medallions used in different years along with some other
relevant information about them. I turned this up a few years ago when a
friend inherited about a dozen Bear bows that had belonged to his
grandfather; we were able to order new strings and make arrows to get them
back in use. I believe these bows were the top archery technology of their
day, and his were all in nearly new condition despite being older than I am.

Eirik Gralokkr


> >It is amazing what you can find here. I wish I could find a similar site
> for Bear bows. I would love to know how old by Bear/Sears Hawk is.
>
> I hope some of you will look over this site. It is quite interesting.
> Perhaps this will spark more discussion and information sharing here.
>
> Yours Aye,
>
>
> Lord Mungo Napier, The Archer of Mallard Lodge
>
>
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From am_piobaire at comcast.net  Thu Sep 18 13:43:09 2014
From: am_piobaire at comcast.net (Gordon Kinnie)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Archers] MAAD room available.
Message-ID: <14BB9D5183E04EDEAC3602BAB94F1C49@GordonPC>

Archers, 

If you are going to MAAD this weekend, I have had a few people drop out of
my guest list.

I have a time share in Williamsburg.  Can sleep up to 12, we are now at 4.

 

Available:

Master Bedroom Queen 

two queen pull out couches 

a single bed, that will share a room 

 

If interested let me know, ASAP.  I leave tomorrow at noon.

 

 

Godai

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From loreleielkins at aol.com  Sun Sep 21 15:34:46 2014
From: loreleielkins at aol.com (loreleielkins at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Fwd: [WoW_Land] Re: Reminder of our need for your numbers
In-Reply-To: <lvndal+j6ssj8@YahooGroups.com>
References: <lusiao+njr255@YahooGroups.com>
	<luuunh+12nb8np@YahooGroups.com> <lvndal+j6ssj8@YahooGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8D1A4036122D707-2F44-1726F@webmail-m162.sysops.aol.com>

Forwarding this along to the archery list just in case this applies to anyone.


Lorelei



-----Original Message-----
From: ron.hall472 at gmail.com [WoW_Land] <WoW_Land at yahoogroups.com>
To: WoW_Land <WoW_Land at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 21, 2014 4:44 pm
Subject: [WoW_Land] Re: Reminder of our need for your numbers


 
  
    
                  
Greetings once again,

Here are the camps that I have still not heard from and I am starting to tentatively place/fit camps to blocks and I need your numbers ASAP:

Blue Serpent Thunder
Caer Mear
Cheapside
Hags Hollow
House de Marlowe
House De Rath
House Draco Luna
House Hedgehog
House Ramirez
Merchant Ship Lejeune
Nant-y-Derwddon
Ponte Alto
Seareach
Snuggly Duck
Stierbach
Strawberry Fields
Tir-y-Don
Traveling Dragon
Trimaris
White Crescent


For the rest of you, Thank you for getting me your numbers and a reminder that if your numbers have changed from what I have as follows, please let me know NLT 26 Sepptember 2014.

Salesbernie Glen  11
Sacred Stone        50
Woodlands            22
Yorkshire              30
Win dmasters         25
Black Diamond      45
Sylvan Glen            8
Convus                  30
Hidden Mountian    30
Roanwoulfe            27
Chastelle Furneaux 14
Hawkwood              53
Southwind              12
Clockmakers           20
Gilded Apple             7
House Darkspire       8
Wandering Turip       14
Marinus          ;          40
Ravens Cove            32
Utgard Halls             38
House Hawkins        32
Isenfir Family           17
Nottinghill Coill         90
Corsarium                20
Bezzled Meadows     8
Bog Troopers/UCF    25
Mountains Keep       16
Die Nacht Kinder        9
Blackbird                  27
Great Dark Horde      20
(Those that are camping within another group, please  make sure that the Land Agent for whom you are camping with has your correct numbers)

YIS,

Bumba
    
             
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From sarahsan at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 21 17:07:51 2014
From: sarahsan at embarqmail.com (Garth Groff)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:07:51 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Our Loaner Gear
Message-ID: <541F6857.3020108@embarqmail.com>

Noble friends of the bow,

I've had things to say on this topic before, but maybe the time has come 
to bring this issue up for general discussion where everyone can see it, 
particularly my fellow local group MICs. I am not here to embarrass 
anyone, but we have a problem that needs fixing.

I have long held that a local group's loaner gear is the most valuable 
tool we have for recruiting, not just new archers, but new members in 
general. Archery is often among the first activities guests try when 
contemplating joining the SCA. If guests have a good time, feel they 
have been well treated, and feel a sense of satisfaction from hitting 
the target a few times, there is a good chance some will come back. 
Perhaps they will feel archery isn't for them, but they might come back 
to your group for other activities, and new friends in a group are 
always golden. On the other hand, if our guests have an unsatisfactory 
experience on our ranges, they probably won't be back at all, even to 
another SCA group in the future. The quality of a group's loaner kit 
will play a very great role in their enjoyment or dissatisfaction.

I am sad to say that much of the loaner gear I have seen in the kits of 
other groups or brought out at tournaments is either garbage, or is 
treated like garbage. All too often there is little or no thought to the 
loaner equipment's maintenance, or the damaging effect raunchy gear has 
on the reputation of our archery program and the SCA in general.

There are three ways we can "strike out" with guests: if our equipment 
looks outmoded, if our equipment is dirty and badly maintained, and if 
our equipment doesn't function properly.

If your loaner gear is like the Shire of Isenfir's, the kit is probably 
made up of old fiberglass youth bows, probably Bears and Stemmlers over 
40 years old. Our guests may not know much about archery, but it doesn't 
take much intelligence to see that this equipment looks like something 
their grandparents used at Camp Grenada in the 1950s. Guests can easily 
compare the gear they are offered with the really sexy longbows or 
recurves regulars are shooting, and know they have been given aged 
cast-offs. It doesn't matter how well you maintain your kit, that 
ancient style will be obvious. In addition to Isenfir's kit, I have 
built a loaner kit of my own (which I can use for non-SCA events without 
asking permission). It is mostly stocked with current production Bears 
in nearly-new condition. They still don't measure up visually to the 
more expensive wooden bows personally owned by our regular archers. 
Guests will probably not yet realize that the SCA is a volunteer 
organization run on a shoestring (nor is this something to discuss with 
newbies, unless they specifically ask). So even with well maintained or 
new loaner equipment, we start out with one strike against us.

It gets worse if your loaner equipment is not properly maintained. Some 
of the loaner kit I was given when I took over our program looked like 
it had been stored in a pig sty. The equipment was generally filthy, and 
the grips were especially nasty with skin oils picking up grime until 
they were black. Arrows were never cleaned, and had rust and caked mud 
on their points, and more mud in the nocks. You can bet I cleaned all 
this equipment, made any needed repairs, and retired a lot of stuff that 
was too far gone. While we might be stuck with old bows as loaner gear, 
to offer something to our guest that is dirty is just plain insulting. 
Strike two! An insulted guest is not coming back. Period.

Finally there is the question of equipment that doesn't work right. How 
can you expect a beginner to find any satisfaction using equipment that 
is out of adjustment? How can they learn to shoot accurately when the 
string is so stretched that the bow can't cast an arrow all the way to 
the target. That says nothing about the bows without strings I saw 
brought to one tournament. What about nock points that are set too high 
or too low, causing the arrows to porpoise, or strings that don't even 
have nock points? How can you expect arrows to fly if they are crooked, 
or they are missing a fletch (or two, as I have sometimes seen)? 
Equipment like this is setting the guest up for failure, and they won't 
come back. Strike three. Your out! Pack it up kids.

I've talked about bows and arrows here, but also consider the condition 
of our arm guards and gloves. Leathers that are dry and cracked are 
unacceptable. Ditto arm guards with broken laces, or elastic bands that 
have lost their stretch. Are there enough leathers in various sizes, and 
quivers, to outfit a reasonable number of guests?

So what are the solutions? Every piece of loaner gear needs to be 
treated with the same care we give our personal equipment. Fiberglass 
bows should be cleaned with water and household detergent. If that 
doesn't work, rubbing alcohol is the next level. Finally, use acetone, 
lacquer thinner, or nail polish remover (without aloe or other 
additives) for the worst crud. Do this outside and wear vinyl gloves. Be 
aware the acetone will remove any lettering on the bow, so make notes on 
the poundage, and reapply this with a Sharpie extra fine _paint_ marker. 
Bows that are really badly scratched up can be sanded with 220 and 320 
sanding blocks, with a final wet sanding using the 320 block again. The 
finish will be matte, but vastly improved. Strings should be inspected 
and waxed before being put back on. The strings should be set at the 
proper brace height (usually about 6" for youth bows, and 7 1/2" for 
most adult bows). Nock points on strings should be checked and adjusted 
if needed.

Arrows should be checked after each use, and wiped down with a damp 
cloth if dirty. Apply a bit of WD40 or furniture oil on a rag to points 
to prevent rust. Crud left on shafts from insulation foam targets should 
be sanded or scraped off, and glue from duct tape wrapped targets 
removed with acetone. This will require resealing the shafts with 
polyurethane. Any damage to the fletching should be repaired. No damaged 
arrows should ever be allowed back into the kit until repaired.

Leathers deserved to be treated with Armor-All or similar leather 
dressing at least once a year. Any damaged laces should be replaced.

Though funds may be limited, it is worth exploring replacing the oldest 
gear with new equipment, even when the old stuff still has some life 
left in it. You might be able to spread a general replacement of old 
equipment out over a year or two if your populace is willing to foot the 
bill. Youth bows like the Bear First Shot cost only about $20, and Bear 
Crusaders are $29. Heavier bows from Bear, Barret, PSE or Indian are 
reasonably priced. Due you shopping wisely. I recently spotted a PSE bow 
for sale on a major "discount" web site for $55, with a supposed $9 
savings. Checking the PSE web page, I discovered the list price of the 
bow was only $39.

And what to do with the old stuff? If it is in good condition, perhaps 
some other Atlantian group is in need of equipment. If you transfer gear 
to another group, make sure to turn all correspondence over to your 
exchequer.  Or hold a yard sale and sell the unwanted stuff ($5 each is 
the usual going price around here for fiberglass youth bows). Make sure 
the money is promptly turned over to the exchequer. Your group could 
simply have your exchequer write the stuff off and donate it to a 
charity thrift store. If it is unserviceable, then destroy the gear and 
record its retirement in case of an audit.

This might seem like a lot of work, but we owe it to our guests. This 
also makes an excellent training project for MITs, and can be done 
during the winter down-time when shooting is suspended.

O.K. so I've had my say. I didn't mean to offend anyone, and hope nobody 
feels that way. That said, for the sake of our entire program, it is 
time we put our loaner gear in order.

Yours Aye,


Lord Mungo Napier, TA MIC, Shire of Isenfir



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From thorwulff at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 22 15:05:43 2014
From: thorwulff at yahoo.com (Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:05:43 -0700
Subject: [Archers] Lord Godai's email.
Message-ID: <1411423543.44041.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

can someone help me with a small problem?
the email I have for Lord Godai from the site and other wise seems to be not working.
can someone help?he wishes to send me some links but his emails keep bouncing back.

in service
Torgar

 
Fearlessness is better then a faint heart for any man who puts his nose out of  doors,The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.

Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
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From ladygreenleafe at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 06:55:52 2014
From: ladygreenleafe at gmail.com (Lorelei Elkins)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:55:52 -0400
Subject: [Archers] War of the Wings
Message-ID: <CAMwqXMYOagxU8JBXTGiNx+V5urnJtyi9rdRt7e4YjmeJWzq++Q@mail.gmail.com>

Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. The number of days left to pre-reg for WoW
... to get land for camping ... to get the lower pre-reg fee of only $15.

Go to the WoW Web page at http://warofthewings.com/ , Click on the
Registration Tab and either use ACCEPS or send a check or money order
today! Don't miss out!

forward for Gise



Yes, there will be archery.  Yes there will be youth archery.  Yes, there
will be atlatl.  Yes, there will be great fun had by all.
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From sarahsan at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 24 13:18:55 2014
From: sarahsan at embarqmail.com (Garth Groff)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Amazons in Primitive Archer
Message-ID: <5423272F.1090707@embarqmail.com>

Noble Friends of the Bow, Especially our Lady Archers and Equestrians:

I just grabbed a copy of the Oct/Nov PRIMITIVE ARCHER. One of the really 
great articles was "The First Annual Amazon Gathering", an all-woman 
equestrian archery tournament held in Arlington, Virginia. The article 
features breathtaking views of women on horseback wasting targets with 
Mongolian bows. These are women you don't want to tangle with! I wonder 
how many of them are Scadians.

The article included these links for more equestrian archery:

www.mountedarchery.net

www.roguemountainarchers.com

www.mountedarchery.com

Have fun.

Yours Aye,


Lord Mungo Napier, The Archer of Mallard Lodge



From thorwulff at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 24 13:44:30 2014
From: thorwulff at yahoo.com (Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Archers] lord godais email.
Message-ID: <1411591470.80946.YahooMailNeo@web160201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I know I have asked before. but can someone send me Lord Godais email address again.
none of the ones I have even the one on the sca website is working.

can someone help please?

Torgar

 
Fearlessness is better then a faint heart for any man who puts his nose out of  doors,The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.

Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
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From jaynardone at comcast.net  Sun Sep 28 09:29:05 2014
From: jaynardone at comcast.net (Jay Nardone)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:29:05 -0400
Subject: [Archers] Archery reports
Message-ID: <015801cfdb39$5276cd10$f7646730$@comcast.net>

Good afternoon everyone, I just wanted to say thank you all for the archery
reports you are submitting! They are quite informative and provide me and
Lord Seamus with the information we require to report upwards. Sounds like
you all are putting on great shoots this year and we are also being safe in
doing so! I have had a few reports of broken bows and while I am glad no one
has been hurt, keep vigilant in your inspections. Most times we wont catch
problems that lead to the break, but for those we do catch it is a bonus for
us all!

 

In Service,

 

Janyn

 

 

"Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything!" -Alexander Hamilton

 

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