[Archers] Early Crossbow with Stock

[Siegfried]

Ahhh, but us Atlantians are known for our snarky remarks!

:-D

Siegfried


On 6/18/14, 12:42 PM, Fen & Michelle wrote:
>  
> Just as a point of courtesy for those who may not know: you *will* see
> some riflestock crossbows at Pennsic. Our ruling against is Atlantia
> specific only. So don't jump someone who brings you a riflestock during
> inspections. And no snarky remarks either ;)
> 
> Cheers
> Fen
>  
> Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission.
>  
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:10 AM, Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/18/14, 4:47 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
>> So now, lets shift this discussion a bit. Our rules also prohibit
>> "non-period trackless crossbows". While I haven't searched these
>> diligently, all the images and photos I've seen are from the 17th
>> century or later.
> [...]
>> All the 17th and 18th century trackless crossbows I've found in images
>> are "stone bows"
> [...]
>> The 20th/21st century adaptations I've seen
>> remove the slingshot-style pocket, and substitute a plain string for
>> (apparently) bolts with large-sized nocks. If we could find a pre-17th
>> century example of one of these bows adapted for bolts, could it serve
>> as a prototype for a legal weapon
> 
> Also, they exist :)  VERY late period, but close enough that one can
> extrapolate.  As you state, they look just like a stone bow, but are
> designed in such a way as to be used with an arrow.
> 
> In fact, one could even make something that visually looks just like a
> stonebow, but just modify it to take bolts, and use the:  "I wanted a
> stonebow but our targets aren't designed to score a pellet hitting them,
> only an arrow"
> 
> And you'd be perfectly fine.  You would have a period, or at least
> period-looking crossbow.  Without any modern benefits.  (In fact, there
> are some rather solid drawbacks because of physics about that style of bow).
> 
> I have a photo stored .... somewhere around here, of a late 16th century
> crossbow that was designed with two prods, and to fire 2 bolts.  One
> sat on a normal track.  The other one had a separate prod, that was
> VERY bend upwards into the sky ... And then there was a raised post at
> front and back, that a bolt would be supported in, that this second prod
> shot.
> 
>> or are they prohibited as a class for some safety reason?
> 
> No, not at all.
> 
> Realize that with most of our rules (that one in particular, which goes
> hand-in-hand with the 'no center shot crossbows') ... Are designed to do
> one of two things:
> 
> either:
> 
> 1. Keep the game fair, by disallowing modern technology/conveniences.
>     or
> 2. Make sure we still appear medieval, since we ARE supposed to be doing
> re-enactment.
> 
> That specific rule in question here (again, along with it's "no center
> shot" counterpart) ... Are an attempt to ban the modern target
> crossbows.  There are modern target crossbows, which are still not
> compounds (by modern rules which disallow that, just like with Olympic
> Recurves) ... Which cost upwards of $5000, and are designed to have
> 'same hole accuracy' at 300 yards.
> 
> Obviously, that's not in the spirit of the game here.  Besides being
> made to exactly gun-level-standards out of all modern materials ...
> 
> They specifically make use of two features to achieve this:
> 
> 1. They have a design of a 'floating track', that allows zero friction
> on the string as there is no track for the string to ride upon.
>     AND
> 2. They have their prod split in half, and the bolt passing through the
> middle of it.  Meaning that it's extremely efficient, and has zero
> 'archers paradox' type effects on the bolts.
> 
> Those rules are designed to keep those crossbows (sometimes
> ineffectively because of certain kingdoms rulings about them), off our
> medieval fields.
> 
> In Service,
> Siegfried
> 
> 
> 
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