[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 121, Issue 2

Sun Oct 6 16:19:20 PDT 2013

Lord Miles, I just realized I never addressed your other concern and I
apologize for that. As far as Royal Rounds go I am good with them counting
no matter where they are shot, it does not have to be a formal practice. I
was posting that info about what constitutes a formal practice vise not
because it came up in discussion a few days prior but I was not trying to
dictate that Royal Rounds would only count at formal practices. As long as
the 2 people are present to meet our rules, that is fine. I have also
updated the Handbook and fixed a few sections and added the Atlatal
information as well. Master Jonathas will be posting the update (V 1.5) when
he gets a chance.

Sorry again if I got you going, I would never intentionally try to "stir the
pot" or be controversial. I understand your and all of our passion for
archery and wouldn't want it any other way in our Kingdom! Thanks to you and
everyone else for all they do to keep things moving.

In Service, 

Janyn

-----Original Message-----
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Miles de
Locwode
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:53 PM
To: Jay Nardone
Cc: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 121, Issue 2

Jay, 

Your assumption would be correct.  In fact as of this post, it still hasn't
shown up.  Mistake happen and I am sorry for any misunderstanding.  It is
not personal and thank you for the job you are doing.  It ain"t an easy one.

However, we still have the conflict between the RR rules and the Handbook.
But I also don't see the reason for that a RR can only be shot at an
official practice or event.  It has been a tradition that as long as there
is a marshal to ensure the rules are followed it counts.  I don't see how a
score is invalid just because it wasn't at an announced practice.  The
reason archery is so successful is so open and accessable.  I would prefer
we keep to our tradition.

Thanks again for your service,

Miles

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:48 PM, "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Miles, I am assuming you didn't see my update where I stated I was in
error.
> The handbook language is correct with a marshal and witness. 
> 
> In Service,
> 
> Janyn
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Miles 
> de Locwode
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:11 PM
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 121, Issue 2
> 
> Jay,
> 
> I sorry but did I miss a memo here somewhere.  When has there been a 
> requirement for two marshals to be present for scoring RR.  Neither 
> the RR rules posted on the web site or the new handbook state this as 
> a requirement. I don't remember any discussion of this on the list and 
> I can't voice my disagreement with this rule strongly enough.  Our 
> Society is based on honor and to put this rule out there smacks that right
in the face.
> Honor is something you have or you don't.  It is not something you can 
> work on.  I agree with having a witness present for the any round 
> turned in (though that is more for appearance) but any archer around 
> for more than 15 minutes is smart enough to know how to score.  We 
> don't need another full marshal around to watch.  Besides most rounds 
> are scored by the archer so if they are going to fudge a score a 
> second marshal isn't going to stop it.  Or are only marshal to score 
> the target and only after can an archer approach and pull their arrows.
> 
> Can someone please explain this to me?  Have we all of a sudden had a 
> rash of cheating going on?  I don't see it in the scores.  We should 
> stick with what it saids in the handbook:  one marshal and a witness.
> 
> Sorry if my tone seems harsh but I find this to be wrong on so many
levels.
> I have watch other Kingdoms go down similar roads and drive their 
> programs right into the ground.  I fully trust in the honor of my 
> Brothers and Sisters of the Bow.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Miles
> 
> P.S.  There is a conflict between the handbook and the official rules 
> posted on the web site.  The handbook says RR can only by done at a 
> OFFICIAL practice or event.  The rules on the web site say anytime and 
> anywhere as long as there is an Atlantian marshal present to score.  
> They also conflict on who has to be present.  The rules say a marshal 
> can score themselves where the handbook calls for a marshal and a witness.
> Sent from my iPad
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>> 1. Submitting scores for IKAC or Royal Rounds (Jay Nardone)  2. MIT 
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>> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:21:26 -0400
>> From: "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net>
>> To: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: [Archers] Submitting scores for IKAC or Royal Rounds
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>> Good evening everyone, just a quick reminder for our marshal's that 
>> practice events must have 2 marshal's present for scoring. This is 
>> our current rule and exceptions can be granted from me or my 
>> Emergency DEM provided we agree with the request. I have been 
>> noticing marshal's submitting scores for themselves and it is hard to 
>> see if any other marshals were present at those practices. We have 
>> always and will continue to work on our honor, but please try to 
>> follow the rules. If I find out that a marshal shot and recorded 
>> their scores alone, I will reject those scores in the system as this
breaks our current rules.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also in standing with the new social media policy, if you advertise 
>> on yahoo, Face Book, etc and use the "SCA" or your local group name 
>> in the title or post itself, it makes that an official SCA practice. 
>> If you make a post that simply says, "Practice at joe blows house 
>> Tuesday night" this would not be considered an official SCA practice 
>> by the rules
> change.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If there are any questions please feel free to ask
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>> 
>> 
>> In Service,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Janyn
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>> Subject: [Archers] MIT class at War of the Wings
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>> Hi All,
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>> If anyone needs to renew, or wants to become an archery MiT, I'll be
> giving a class at War of the Wings on Sunday at 10 AM at the archery
range.
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>> Cheers!
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