[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 121, Issue 2

Wed Oct 2 19:53:08 PDT 2013

Jay, 

Your assumption would be correct.  In fact as of this post, it still hasn't shown up.  Mistake happen and I am sorry for any misunderstanding.  It is not personal and thank you for the job you are doing.  It ain"t an easy one.

However, we still have the conflict between the RR rules and the Handbook.  But I also don't see the reason for that a RR can only be shot at an official practice or event.  It has been a tradition that as long as there is a marshal to ensure the rules are followed it counts.  I don't see how a score is invalid just because it wasn't at an announced practice.  The reason archery is so successful is so open and accessable.  I would prefer we keep to our tradition.

Thanks again for your service,

Miles

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:48 PM, "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Miles, I am assuming you didn't see my update where I stated I was in error.
> The handbook language is correct with a marshal and witness. 
> 
> In Service,
> 
> Janyn
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Miles de
> Locwode
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:11 PM
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 121, Issue 2
> 
> Jay,
> 
> I sorry but did I miss a memo here somewhere.  When has there been a
> requirement for two marshals to be present for scoring RR.  Neither the RR
> rules posted on the web site or the new handbook state this as a
> requirement. I don't remember any discussion of this on the list and I can't
> voice my disagreement with this rule strongly enough.  Our Society is based
> on honor and to put this rule out there smacks that right in the face.
> Honor is something you have or you don't.  It is not something you can work
> on.  I agree with having a witness present for the any round turned in
> (though that is more for appearance) but any archer around for more than 15
> minutes is smart enough to know how to score.  We don't need another full
> marshal around to watch.  Besides most rounds are scored by the archer so if
> they are going to fudge a score a second marshal isn't going to stop it.  Or
> are only marshal to score the target and only after can an archer approach
> and pull their arrows.
> 
> Can someone please explain this to me?  Have we all of a sudden had a rash
> of cheating going on?  I don't see it in the scores.  We should stick with
> what it saids in the handbook:  one marshal and a witness.  
> 
> Sorry if my tone seems harsh but I find this to be wrong on so many levels.
> I have watch other Kingdoms go down similar roads and drive their programs
> right into the ground.  I fully trust in the honor of my Brothers and
> Sisters of the Bow.  
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Miles
> 
> P.S.  There is a conflict between the handbook and the official rules posted
> on the web site.  The handbook says RR can only by done at a OFFICIAL
> practice or event.  The rules on the web site say anytime and anywhere as
> long as there is an Atlantian marshal present to score.  They also conflict
> on who has to be present.  The rules say a marshal can score themselves
> where the handbook calls for a marshal and a witness. 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> 1. Submitting scores for IKAC or Royal Rounds (Jay Nardone)  2. MIT 
>> class at War of the Wings (loreleielkins at aol.com)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:21:26 -0400
>> From: "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net>
>> To: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: [Archers] Submitting scores for IKAC or Royal Rounds
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>> Good evening everyone, just a quick reminder for our marshal's that 
>> practice events must have 2 marshal's present for scoring. This is our 
>> current rule and exceptions can be granted from me or my Emergency DEM 
>> provided we agree with the request. I have been noticing marshal's 
>> submitting scores for themselves and it is hard to see if any other 
>> marshals were present at those practices. We have always and will 
>> continue to work on our honor, but please try to follow the rules. If 
>> I find out that a marshal shot and recorded their scores alone, I will 
>> reject those scores in the system as this breaks our current rules.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also in standing with the new social media policy, if you advertise on 
>> yahoo, Face Book, etc and use the "SCA" or your local group name in 
>> the title or post itself, it makes that an official SCA practice. If 
>> you make a post that simply says, "Practice at joe blows house Tuesday 
>> night" this would not be considered an official SCA practice by the rules
> change.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If there are any questions please feel free to ask
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>> 
>> 
>> In Service,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Janyn
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>> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 06:18:29 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: loreleielkins at aol.com
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>> Subject: [Archers] MIT class at War of the Wings
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>> Hi All,
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>> If anyone needs to renew, or wants to become an archery MiT, I'll be
> giving a class at War of the Wings on Sunday at 10 AM at the archery range.
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>> Cheers!
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