[Archers] Ymir question

Fri Jan 25 18:18:25 PST 2013

As my lady has suggested, perhaps we archers should take up a collection for this MIC so he can get a gastrointestinal window installed considering his current physical configuration.

I would add, on a more serious note, that Loelei and I both could be considered locals in this case.  As we both are former Atlantian archery DEMs we "might" know something about running a safe range.  When Lorelei found out about the lack of an archery marshal she asked the MIC if he would like assistance in locating a marshal for archery.  He replied no.  Last year this event had some 40 archers shooting.  Just some interesting facts about this event.

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On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Charles Sprouse <sprousecp at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "The response was something nonsensical like “these are live fire ranges.” "
> Being still 'relatively' new and somewhat untravelled in the SCA and Atlantia, I don't even know who this MIC is, nor do I care to change that fact, but in my admittedly un-PC opinion, until the heavy fighters are swinging pool noodles around at each other and the rapier fighters are playing with used mcdonalds bendy straws, anyone who uttered the completely hypocritical 'reasons' that have been purportedly listed as being behind his decisions can stick them square up his rectal cavity so they can be closer to where his decision-making abilities obviously already reside.
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> Just my two cents for what it's worth....
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> KvK
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> From: Janyn Fletcher <janynfletcher at comcast.net>
> To: 'Charles Sprouse' <sprousecp at yahoo.com>; 'Archery List' <archers at atlantia.sca.org> 
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [Archers] Ymir question
> 
> I knew this would eventually come up and I am actually shocked it took this long :P
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> Some of you might not know that archery at Ymir this year was canceled by the MIC. When I was first made aware of this about a week and a half ago, I posted inquiring why this was the case. I was also given some direct information from some of the marshal’s that have run archery in years past. I will keep this generic for discussion sake. I was first told that the MIC canceled archery “due to lack of interest.” His words….This is what really got the hair on the back of my neck to stand up, and I also posted about this because I didn’t believe this for a second! As I dug into the situation I found out that the MIC who started the conversation with “I have been MIC for the last 15 years…” admitted that he only trusted a handful of marshals to run archery and those few were unavailable.
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> I respectfully posted back that I was the DEM for TA in Atlantia and all of my marshals are “trusted” by me or they would not be marshals. The response was something nonsensical like “these are live fire ranges.” Which had me scratching my head because all of our ranges are live fire ranges. I posted back to that effect and there was no movement. I believe at that point Saphir graciously offered to round up some marshal’s so the activity could continue. A few days passed and the MIC posted that after failing to contact anyone he trusted, he decided to cancel the activity. I once again posted and frankly I was not happy. I posted that this should never happen in Atlantia and I was going to take it to the Kingdom. A challenge was posted back to me to do what I needed  to do.
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> I sent a message to Sir Otto our Earl Marshal and sent the message trail to him as well. He responded these words:
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> It is sad that Master Gaston cannot find an acceptable MiC for Target Archery.
> Regardless of the outcome, Master Gaston has the responsibility to find MICs that are mutually acceptable to him, the group's seneschal and the event's autocrat.
> There is nothing that my office can do force an event to hold archery (or any specific martial activity for that matter.) Your point of appeal for this year’s Ymir would be to go to either the autocrat, Lady Dyrfinna Frevithadottir or to the group’s seneschal, Lord Adelric Falke and make your case to them. I have included them in this reply.
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> To help for future years, maybe you can work with Master Gaston to instill a greater degree of confidence in the other capable target archery marshals that we have avalible.
>  
> YiS,
> Otto
>  
> I am just dumbfounded and frankly at a loss for words that a (any) MIC can overrule the DEM of the Kingdom and even more so that it was turned around on me to make this person “more comfortable.” I never heard a word from the Autocrat which really owns the event and this MIC works for.
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> I wanted to write the King and Queen but after discussion with my deputy and past DEM’s it was decided it was probably not wise.
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> I am still upset over this situation as it is a real slap in my face and the archery communities face collectively. I never made this personal and simply felt it was my job to not take this quietly. Somehow I think I have gotten myself in a pinch once again simply because I am passionate and active in our community. I’m really wondering what the effectively of my office is if we can be over ruled by pretty much everyone?
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> I believe there is strength in numbers and if this offends you, I would encourage you all to make it known. Safety is ALWAYS our number one concern and the decision of who provides that safety and how should come from the activity Marshallate, which I was never given the chance to do.
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> I will promise you all that I will try to not let this type of thing happen again but without support I don’t see how I can be effective to do so? I’m sorry I have let you all down!
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> In Service,
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> Janyn
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> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Charles Sprouse
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:42 PM
> To: Archery List
> Subject: [Archers] Ymir question
>  
> So, random question....  
>  
> Am I the only one who was totally toked to finally get to go to Ymir this year and now am not going at all because they couldn't find "an archery marshal the MIC could trust with such an inherently dangerous activity"??
>  
> KvK
> 
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