[Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules

Mon Aug 5 19:57:51 PDT 2013

I agree that the other conclusions (same scoring and 6 darts per end) make
a lot of sense, but I worry that we just won't have RRs being thrown if we
have to order different/special targets and set up additional butts for
them to happen.

I participated in 2 of the 3 atl-atl battles at Pennsic, and have been in
at least a couple at local events as well. In every case we're aiming at a
bale of hay, which is noticeably smaller than a 90cm target. Because of
this, and thinking toward the marshal's ease in setting up a range, I would
favor using the same 60cm targets (and perhaps even the same target butts)
that we use for the archery royal round. Most of the darts I see in use
have the same field points as our arrows do, and do not appear to harm
targets any more than arrows will--especially so since for most of us,
there will be fairly few darts actually hitting the target, no matter its
size.

In my experience so far, the atl-atl rate of fire is closer to that of a
crossbow than a hand bow, and based on that I'm not sure that a speed round
would pose any problem. It's getting the dart's socket seated on the
pointed part of the stick that is the slowest part of the process, and
there's no point in going on to throw it if it's not properly seated. If
there are other safety concerns I'm missing here, someone please let me
know. Wild (in terms of side to side) throws seem to pose the greatest
potential atl-atl hazard, whether timed or untimed, but I think our ample
archery safety zones are sufficient to cover this issue even if there were
a speed round.

In sum, I think keeping the atl-atl royal round the same as the archery
royal round in as many ways as possible will be the strategy most likely to
make them happen.

in service,

Eirik Gralokkr

> Subject: Re: [Archers] ATLatl discussion and rules completion
>
> Okay thank you all for the input, so far this is what we are agreeing upon:
>
> 1.       Use of the bigger FITA target for RR.
>
> 2.       6 darts per end.
>
> 3.       Range will be same distances as Archery RR 20,30 and 40 yards, no
> timed ends due to safety concerns
>
> 4.       Scoring will be same as archery 5,4,3,2,1
>
>
>
> We'll continue the discussion until the 23rd if need be, if anyone else has
> comments please let us know.
>
>
>
> I thank you all for taking the time to write with  your comments.
>
>
>
> In Service,
>
>
>
> Janyn
>
>
>
>
>
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Jay
> Nardone
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:08 PM
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: [Archers] ATLatl discussion and rules completion
>
>
>
> Good afternoon everyone, I want to start working off the items I sent out
> last week from my "to do" list. So the first up is the completion of the
> ATLATL rules for Royal Rounds. I went back through all of our discussions
> last year and this is the gist of what I took away from it.
>
>
>
> 1.       Use of the bigger FITA (90m)  target as the Royal Round target.
>
> 2.       6 Darts per end
>
> 3.       Range will be same as the archery to allow both being shot/thrown
> at once on adjacent ranges if need be (20 yards, 20 yards timed, 30 yards,
> 40 yards)
>
> 4.       Scoring will be 10,9,8,7,6 ? Gold,red,blue,black,white?
>
>
>
> My take is that yes the scores will be lower than archery, who cares? We
> need to start somewhere and I think keeping the yardages the same with the
> bigger target will accommodate this. I have seen many who are decent with
> Atlatl throw them 40 yards or so and look how hard 40 yards is for most
> archers.
>
>
>
> Am I missing something? I don't want to start this discussion from scratch
> but I want to complete this discussion so if you have comments or concerns
> please lets discuss. I would like to close this topic and move on by 23
> August.
>
>
>
> In Service,
>
>
>
> Janyn
>
>
>
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> It's been a while since I saw/used a 90m (122cm) target.  How many bales
> or what other type of backings have people used for these?  Just guessing
> that for bales, we would need a 2 wide base, and at least 4 high?  This
> leads to
> the question, do we need to specify a range of height for the target
> center, or will
> the target base be at ground level?
>
> Dealla
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> On Aug 5, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Janyn Fletcher" <janynfletcher at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Okay thank you all for the input, so far this is what we are agreeing
> upon:
> >
> > 1.       Use of the bigger FITA target for RR.
> > 2.       6 darts per end.
> > 3.       Range will be same distances as Archery RR 20,30 and 40 yards,
> no timed ends due to safety concerns
> > 4.       Scoring will be same as archery 5,4,3,2,1
> >
> > We?ll continue the discussion until the 23rd if need be, if anyone else
> has comments please let us know.
> >
> > I thank you all for taking the time to write with  your comments.
> >
> > In Service,
> >
> > Janyn
> >
> >
> > From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:
> archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Nardone
> > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:08 PM
> > To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: [Archers] ATLatl discussion and rules completion
> >
> > Good afternoon everyone, I want to start working off the items I sent
> out last week from my ?to do? list. So the first up is the completion of
> the ATLATL rules for Royal Rounds. I went back through all of our
> discussions last year and this is the gist of what I took away from it.
> >
> > 1.       Use of the bigger FITA (90m)  target as the Royal Round target.
> > 2.       6 Darts per end
> > 3.       Range will be same as the archery to allow both being
> shot/thrown at once on adjacent ranges if need be (20 yards, 20 yards
> timed, 30 yards, 40 yards)
> > 4.       Scoring will be 10,9,8,7,6 ? Gold,red,blue,black,white?
> >
> > My take is that yes the scores will be lower than archery, who cares? We
> need to start somewhere and I think keeping the yardages the same with the
> bigger target will accommodate this. I have seen many who are decent with
> Atlatl throw them 40 yards or so and look how hard 40 yards is for most
> archers.
> >
> > Am I missing something? I don?t want to start this discussion from
> scratch but I want to complete this discussion so if you have comments or
> concerns please lets discuss. I would like to close this topic and move on
> by 23 August.
> >
> > In Service,
> >
> > Janyn
> >
> >
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