[Archers] Known World stuff - follow up

Fri Sep 14 17:51:29 PDT 2012

I for one would like to see it held outside of Pennsic, for personal reasons as well as others. I cannot make Pennsic, but I would love to help out (like running troll or reservations or exchequer type stuff, etc) but I couldn't help out if it were at Pennsic. I also wouldn't be able to attend and learn (if classes are held as talked about before). So I would like to toss in a vote for holding outside of Pennsic, as I know personally some other folks who also can't make Pennsic but would be interested in something like this.

Love the KWAC KWAC, now I'm gonna have to come up with a button design and make it just to look at 'cause its funny, LOL.

Just my .02¢ worth,
Serena

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 From: Jay Nardone <jaynardone at comcast.net>
To: 'John Atkins' <cogworks at triad.rr.com> 
Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World stuff - follow up

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COG, agreed and I do feel the same way but I also love to see everyone having fun and that was my reward knowing we pulled it off again and it was a success. But, I don’t want to speak for everyone else so we’ll have to see who would be in again and who isn’t. As far as KWAC KWAC (now you have me doing it….), we were also talking about offering classes and the like, so not holding at Pennsic has merit too. This is why I think it will take much more discussion and planning than just a year. J

From:John Atkins [mailto:cogworks at triad.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 5:18 PM
To: 'Jay Nardone'
Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: RE: [Archers] Known World stuff - follow up

I fully agree with point 1 below.  After all the SAADs we have held "down South" I have NEVER actually shot the entire event.  That's OK by me 'cuz everyone else is having such a good time, but the point is I'm always more involved in the actual running of it than the shooting or participating of it.  But Pennsic is vacation for most folks who only get two weeks off from their job.  So being able to actually shoot and participate instead of "work" is what a vacation is supposed to be all about!

As for the KWAC, is that a sound ducks make?  KWAC, KWAC, KWAC, Yeah!  Back to the subject................HEY!  That could be the logo/device for the event!  I need therapy.......  Anyway, as for KWAC, if held at Pennsic politics will be involved.  They are not insurmountable but they will be involved in it's organization.  Let's keep the conversation going about it and make it happen.  Just one more way Atlantia can lead the Known World.

cog
Just would like to add some clarity to the discussion if I may. No where along the discussion was it ever mentioned that we not continue to either organize and run or support the SSB. My original post was stating that I felt it was time for the East or Mid to step up and run it next year as was originally discussed when we started this shoot. I wanted to do this for two reasons:
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>>1.       I would like to give our marshal’ and archers a chance to actually shoot and enjoy the event for once. Yeah yeah I hear you all that we should have plenty of help but we don’t and we didn’t. Once again this year the core group of marshal’s including myself where out there all day long and didn’t shoot the event. We actually only had 7 marshals from other kingdoms volunteer to help us this year. We needed 70+ marshals to fill the 2 hour time slots that Baroness Martelle lined up and we had 28 total from Atlantia. So no I don’t want to have to ask any of you again unless the shoot is in jeopardy of not happening
>>2.       I wanted to focus my attention on the KWAC as it is going to take more than one year to plan, arrange and prepare for. 
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>>So yes I fully support SSB continuing but I want one of the other Kingdoms to pick it up. As I also stated if I get any feeling that they are not interested or going to do a less than stellar job I would ask to pull it back to Atlantia. We will see as we get later into the year. Also if we do have to take it back again for the 3rd year, I would like to see more marshal’s and target builders that have not helped in the past 2 years join the team.
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>>In Service,
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>>Janyn
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>>From:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of John Atkins
>>Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:46 PM
>>To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>>Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World stuff - follow up
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>>Having spent my afternoon reading all 1000 plus emails, I am now, mostly, up to date on this discussion.  As past SSBs have been a, somewhat, joint effort of all kingdoms attending Pennsic, or at least offered to all, I see no reason that concept can not be continued.  As for who is the actual lead kingdom, I think rotating it is a good idea.  My main caveat to that is that the quality as set by Atlantian be maintained.  But if other kingdoms are sharing/trading off the actually organization and running there isn't much Atlantia can do to enforce quality other than have input.  But advice is like.........well we have all heard that comment!  So let us hope that Atlantia has set the bar at a level the other kingdoms will strive to at least achieve if not excel!
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>>As for the KWAC, I see no reason this competition could not be done and should not be done in a multi-kingdom mode as well.  The other model for this is the Known World Scribal Symposium.  This event rotates around all the kingdoms in the SCA.  My lady and I attended one in London, England.  More recently, it was held right in our backyard in North Carolina.  No reason the KWAC could not be done in similar fashion.  If an archer is really just dying to prove to the known world they are the best, then they travel to where it is being held.  Kinda like Olympic athletes.  You go where the competition is.
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>>cog
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of John Atkins
>>>Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:47 PM
>>>To: 'Holly Gibbons'; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World stuff
>>>Just returning for three weeks out of country, so if this has been covered or seems behind the discussion, apologies.
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>>>I think Atlantia continuing with the St. Sebastian shoot at Pennsic is the best idea.  I am one of those archers who could, given a good year, perhaps qualify to be on the "Masters Team" but in recent years have chosen to step aside and not shoot.  My primary reason for this is twofold.  1 - I do not shoot well when we shoot 6 shafts for high accuracy then wait 30 - 45 minutes or more to shoot the next station.  2 - More often than not the shooting stations are not very interesting!  While that may sound harsh, about any archery at any event in Atlantia has MUCH more interesting shooting stations.  It's my vacation and I would like to be challenged AND have fun.  I view the SSB shoot as Atlantia showing the rest of the known world how to set up and run an interesting novelty shoot that EVERYONE can enjoy.  I realize doing this shoot is a lot of work but hearing the comments of those who participate makes it all worth the hassles.  I would
 hope that the other kingdoms are learning from Atlantia how to set up a large scale interesting shoot (apologies if that sounds arrogant but Atlantia has proven we can do a large scale interesting shoot!).
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>>>As for "cog's dog and pony show"  (argg!!) my original thought was to pattern the shoot after the GET at Gulf Wars.  At that event/war, archers qualify on site on the archery range in the days leading up to the GET.  The GET shoot then represents the "best of the best" who have shot at that war and is moved to the main battle field so the populous can watch.  Thus using things like RR scores, royal's favorites, or "those that always shoot" fall to the wayside and those who have actually shot the best in the preceding days at that war are those who qualify.  Running even 100 archers through a shoot, even using multiple targets, could be very time consuming.  As the idea is to bring archery out of the back 40 located in Ohio ( :-)  ) at Pennsic, the shoot has to be coordinated with the battle field schedule/usage.  That typically means in the later afternoon and done somewhat quickly.
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>>>So I think the idea of Atlantian maintaining the SSB and continued discussion of the Known World Championship is still valid.
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>>>cog
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