[Archers] St. Sebastians Marshals
Tim Warman
timothywarman at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 5 14:29:05 PST 2012
My two bits worth on two recent topics. First, there seems to have been good success at many archery events in northern Atlantia over the years where each roving group was required to have a marshal. Targets stations were generally unattended, but each group had a marshal. This has the advantage of putting marshals who just want to shoot the event to work. Many of us sort of do this anyway, but if it is the official policy for the event, then everyone is clear. Sashes would make it even more clear, which might be necessary at Pennsic.
2nd, if I make it to Pennsic in 2013 I will certainly try to be more engaged in St Seb. than in 2012, but once again I am unable to commit now. This past summer I didn't think I would make it to Pennsic until just before time to load the car. So while it would be cool if Atlantia steps up to the plate once again and puts on the best archery day of the war, I hesitate to vote because I may not be able to help out.
Timothy of Shaftesbury (who only made it to two events all year -- bummer)
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:14:06 -0500
From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
To: "'Garth Groff'" <ggg9y at virginia.edu>,
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"Our Favorite Scott" has a good point here. Let me modify my suggestion
of non-marshaled shooting stations. How about we have red sashes, 3 X
18 inches. Any warranted marshal in a team, or all marshals, wear one
on their draw arm. That way we could have roving marshals watching more
than one station, reducing the marshal load, and be able to easily
identify which groups may need to be watched more carefully, i.e. those
without a shooting marshal. By wearing the sash on the draw arm it
would be highly visible and yet not interfer with the archer's shooting.
cog
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[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Garth
Groff
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 7:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [Archers] St. Sebastians III?????
Noble Friends of the Bow,
I'm not comfortable with the notion of having one marshal cover several
targets. From my experience last year, some people needed help
understanding the rules (not that they were all that badly stated at
Pennsic). We also had a problem of overlapping safety zones, with some
people wanting to retrieve arrows before shooting had stopped at the
adjacent target. Finally, there were beginners and youngsters who did
not fully understand the safety rules (as an example from the recent
Chalice shoot, I stopped a young man who was behind the shooting line
and was about to loose an arrow over the head of someone in front of
him). I would still like to see one marshal per target, unless we
organize the shooters into teams under the direction of a traveling
marshal, which probably wouldn't work for so big a shoot with people
wanting to join all day. Why weren't there more marshals from the other
kingdoms? Just because we sponsor the shoot, other marshals should still
make themselves available.
Perhaps it would help to limit the range to 12 targets instead of 14. We
could increase the number of arrows at each target, so as not to
"cheapen" our product.
Yours Aye,
Mungo
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:34:23 -0500 (EST)
From: <dconrad at comporium.net>
To: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>, "'Garth Groff'"
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I like the idea of a "sash" worn on the arm and not just for St Sebastians! I was never able to shoot in my Midrealm tabard and ended up wearing it folded and tucked into my belt at the back. I finally made what I called my "tail"...a narrow sash with the three pheons on the red pale that I wore on my belt when I was shooting. The "arm sash" would solve that problem and identify Marshals as well. But it should be Atlantian blue, perhaps with the "Spike holding arrows" that was talked about as an archery marshal device earlier. It would designate us as both Marshals and Atlantians!
Aidan
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:45:17 -0500
From: Cameron deGrey <camerondegrey at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Archers] St. Sebastians III?????
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I some cases marshaling two lines can be annoying to the shooters. Last
Pennsic I had to call hold while running two lines, and both lines stopped.
Im glad they all listened but which line was I talking to? Minor I know....
Also the marshal running two lines, will likely be between the two, meaning
eyes on one at a time. We all know it only takes a second.
I am with Mungo and others on the kingdom marshals joining the cause. We
should do our best to get but in, and commitment from the other kingdoms
marshals for time on the range, even if bought with cookies.
Cameron
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:01 AM, <dconrad at comporium.net> wrote:
> I have to agree with Mungo, perhaps we need to reduce thenumber of targets
> in order to have better coverage with Marshals. Also, reducing the targets
> would eliminate some of the problems with overlapping safety areas. So
> far, we've had no big safety problems, but having targets operating with no
> Marshals and over lapping safety areas, we are asking for trouble.
>
> I marshalled one of the targets last Pennsic and when I left the range in
> the early afternoon, there was no one scheduled to take my place. I was
> assured that there would be someone coming, but don't know if anyone ever
> did. During the hours that I was at my post, I did not see a marshal at
> the target to my right. Archers seemed to be simply coming to the area,
> reading the directions and shooting. The distance from my target to the
> other was too far for me to actually check to see if they needed a
> marshal's help, so the possiblity of my marshalling two areas was not an
> option.
>
> I know that many Marshals were at the range for the entire day, which is
> dedication above and beyond! We need to be able to put on a fun and safe
> shoot. Providing adequate Marshals is part of that. Perhaps we do need to
> actively recruit volunteers from other Kingdoms and aas Mungo suggested,
> reduce the number of targets to one we can adequately manage.
>
> Aidan Morgana Evans
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:53:41 -0500
From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
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Aiden and others,
I like the idea of a blue sash with Spike, particularly for the
non-Atlantian marshals. When we give it to them to wear we could say
"You get to keep this to remind you that it was Atlantia that taught you
how to put on a great shoot!" hahahahahahahahaha
Remember, if you are NOT having fun doing what you are doing, you should
be doing something else!
cog
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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 8:34 AM
To: John Atkins; 'Garth Groff'; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] St. Sebastians III?????
I like the idea of a "sash" worn on the arm and not just for St
Sebastians! I was never able to shoot in my Midrealm tabard and ended
up wearing it folded and tucked into my belt at the back. I finally
made what I called my "tail"...a narrow sash with the three pheons on
the red pale that I wore on my belt when I was shooting. The "arm sash"
would solve that problem and identify Marshals as well. But it should
be Atlantian blue, perhaps with the "Spike holding arrows" that was
talked about as an archery marshal device earlier. It would designate
us as both Marshals and Atlantians!
Aidan
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:05:51 -0500
From: michael sheppard <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>
To: Cameron deGrey <camerondegrey at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Archers] St. Sebastians III?????
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I'm not trying to piss on anyone's fire here, but it seems to me and my
experience that getting the other Kingdom marshals to actually sign up and
marshal is worse than herding cats! Yes I agree that other kingdom
marshals need to be involved, but as past experience suggests, easier said
than done. As I am not a quitter (and I know there was a huge push for
additional help last year) I would never suggesting we stop asking (and
cookies/arm sashes may work), but a contingency plan to include more
Atlantian marshals and/or MIT's should also be in pursued....
saphir
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Cameron deGrey <camerondegrey at gmail.com>wrote:
> I some cases marshaling two lines can be annoying to the shooters. Last
> Pennsic I had to call hold while running two lines, and both lines stopped.
> Im glad they all listened but which line was I talking to? Minor I know....
>
> Also the marshal running two lines, will likely be between the two,
> meaning eyes on one at a time. We all know it only takes a second.
>
> I am with Mungo and others on the kingdom marshals joining the cause. We
> should do our best to get but in, and commitment from the other kingdoms
> marshals for time on the range, even if bought with cookies.
>
> Cameron
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:01 AM, <dconrad at comporium.net> wrote:
>
>> I have to agree with Mungo, perhaps we need to reduce thenumber of
>> targets in order to have better coverage with Marshals. Also, reducing the
>> targets would eliminate some of the problems with overlapping safety areas.
>> So far, we've had no big safety problems, but having targets operating
>> with no Marshals and over lapping safety areas, we are asking for trouble.
>>
>> I marshalled one of the targets last Pennsic and when I left the range in
>> the early afternoon, there was no one scheduled to take my place. I was
>> assured that there would be someone coming, but don't know if anyone ever
>> did. During the hours that I was at my post, I did not see a marshal at
>> the target to my right. Archers seemed to be simply coming to the area,
>> reading the directions and shooting. The distance from my target to the
>> other was too far for me to actually check to see if they needed a
>> marshal's help, so the possiblity of my marshalling two areas was not an
>> option.
>>
>> I know that many Marshals were at the range for the entire day, which is
>> dedication above and beyond! We need to be able to put on a fun and safe
>> shoot. Providing adequate Marshals is part of that. Perhaps we do need to
>> actively recruit volunteers from other Kingdoms and aas Mungo suggested,
>> reduce the number of targets to one we can adequately manage.
>>
>> Aidan Morgana Evans
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Archers mailing list
>> Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org
>>
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