[Archers] Archers as squires

Tue Mar 13 14:59:30 PDT 2012

Tnek, thank you for the time to post about this issue. I applaud you for
taking the time and effort to afford the offer of Squire to an archer. This
is something I would be willing to participate in but frankly without
current Knights promoting this, the opportunities are far and few between. I
know of only one person in Atlantia that was offered to be a squire to a
Knight but I don't think it was in the capacity of archer, but rather spear.
Is the goal of your "Yeoman" to become a Knight as well? Will that
opportunity even be offered at some point for their prowess as an archer?

In Service, 

Janyn

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Subject: [Archers] Archers as squires

Although I'm not sure I agree with Fen that "the only possible way for
archers to gain a martial peerage is for the Chivalry to squire us", I think
doing so, or something similar, may be worth pursuing for some.  

As a knight, I have taken an "archery squire" myself in a way, although I
chose to use the title of "yeoman" instead.  I consider my yeoman to be the
equivalent of my squires in every way, the only difference being that he
serves my household as an archer (both in target and combat archery) instead
of as a heavy fighter.  This has worked well in my case, since I could
instruct him as an archer myself, but I think something similar could work
with other knights as well.  

I would recommend that any archer who would like to try such an arrangement,
pick a knight whom you respect, and offer your services as an archer.  If
you are a combat archer, or would like to become one, I'm sure that most
knights would love to have one as part of their retinue on the battlefield.
Even if you are only interested in target archery, you could bring glory and
recognition to the knight's household through your achievements on the
archery range.  In return, the knight should be willing to instruct you in
the other "peerlike qualities", even if he can't specifically teach you
skill with the bow or with his weapon forms.  He should also be able to help
you with your armor, if you need it, and battlefield tactics.

Another added benefit of this arrangement is that the knight may gain a
better appreciation for the skill and effort it takes to become a good
archer, and be an advocate for archery within the Chivalry.  I have found
that while many knights don't like archery being used against them, most of
them like having it on their side.

For my part, I am willing to promote this idea among my fellow knights, and
to assist anyone who would like help with introductions, or suggestions as
to who might be a good prospective mentor.  I can already think of a few
knights who would probably be very receptive to taking a yeoman or two.

While there is no guarantee that this will ever lead to the creation of a
"Knight of the Bow", I believe that it has had definite benefits for my
yeoman.  He has become a Companion of the Yew Bow, and I would like to think
that our relationship helped him to achieve this and other honors.

Baron Tnek the Ainissestor, KSCA, OPel  

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I think the only possible way for archers to gain a martial peerage is for
the Chivalry to squire us. Kind of a buy-in for them to ensure we uphold
their traditions and values. 

I also think its highly unlikely , but I'm curious what their thought
process is.? Could you ask Sir Jon what he thinks?? Then shoot me a private
email? 

Cheers 

Fen 

"Atlantian Archery. Nothing exists within 100 yards without our permission."

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From: "J. Hughes" <jphughessr at yahoo.com>
To: "Antlanian" <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:57:04 AM
Subject: [Archers] Fw: ?From the SCA-Announcement list 

"I strongly feel that there should be a lot more Laurels and Pelicans in
archery, but it does apeal to me that the chivalry be open to accepting
Knights of the Bow..." 

"...Last night I had a long and interesting conversation with Sir Jon about
the nobles' use of archery in war. I was pointing out examples of noble use
of archery in war that he had not cited in his work." 

Charles O'Connor
Old used archer, laurel, and pelican 

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