[Archers] Atl-atl

[Siegfried]

> Of the alternatives already suggested, I would favor
> 20-30-40 distances for ease of setup and running the range, and the
> larger 120 cm or 4x4 square target face.

Well, that was the gist of one of the original arguments.   Though if
everyone else is saying 'move it closer', I'm OK with it, if it still
keep it lockstep with the archery.  So 10/20/30 or 15/25/35 ... so it
could be still run at the same time.

But 'back in the day' when AtlAtl was first introduced and we were
discussing this.  The argument was being made to move it closer.  (I
think everyone mostly agreed to go to the bigger target already).

The argument being that 'noone was hitting anything, and we needed
scores that more closely mimicked the RR scores.

The counter argument was this:

Back in the early days of SCA archery, when rocks were soft.  The East
Kingdom started their RR Rankings.   In these rankings, they only had
ranks for scores of 20, 40, 60 and 80.    Why was that?  At the time the
best archers were scoring in the 60's.   80 was thought to be an upper
limit achievement, that only few archers would reach.

People simply didn't have the years/decades of practice we now have,
understanding of how to use the equipment (etc etc yada etc)

Fast forward in time, and someone breaks 80.  They all cheer.   Fast
forward more ... and someone is approaching the 100 mark.   Oh my.   So
a meeting is held of all the archery marshals, and they determine a
title for the rank.

But then someone asks:  "What if someone breaks 120!?"    A guffahing
voice blurts that:  "That's Ludicrous!"

(And you've now heard the story of how the Ludicrous Bowman rank was
created).

...

The moral of the story, was that to not cause that situation to happen
here.   To make things 'so easy' at the moment, in order to make things
look equivilant.  To undercount the great skill that may come to be
shown, as archers (flingers) take to the AtlAtl's with strength in their
arms, and show the amazing skill they are capable of in years to come!

...

But that was also 'then'.  And part of leaving the experiement where it
was, was to gather input from the flingers.   Personally, I still like
20 as a minimum.   Though I am ok with averaging it, and moving it to
15.  (That also will help perhaps keep stray arrows from it, and darts
from the archery target).

But if the masses prefer 10 ... so be it.

Siegfried



 Though targets of life-size
> megafauna at ranges up to clout distances could be a fun themed shoot
> some time for both bow and atl-atl...People will miss at 40, but I miss
> at the 40 with a bow all the time, yet keep coming back for more. 10
> yards is too close, in my opinion, because with the length of the dart
> alone you've already closed 20% of the distance to the target. If you're
> that close, you should just run up to the target and spear it by hand :)
> 
> I think people have 3 darts simply because that's the unit that the
> folks selling them have chosen to bundle them in. If the round required
> 6, they would be sold 6 at a time. Having made both arrows and darts, I
> think darts actually are a lot easier to make because there are fewer
> parts (no separate nocks), and they fly fine with 2 flu-flu style
> feathers that don't need to be trimmed in profile.
> 
> It seems like it would make sense to make the RR consist of 6 darts at
> each distance, so people who only have 3 can throw twice to score while
> the archers shoot an IKAC round. I think as the atl-atl becomes more
> popular, people will own more darts, just as most of us have well over
> the 6+ arrows we need (OK, cog and others need 10+ on the speed rounds,
> but 6 is sufficient for us mere humans). I think the atl-atl round
> should involve the same number of shots as with a bow, as this would
> keep the RR score categories the same and minimize confusion. It is fine
> with me if no one can attain GBE with the atl-atl for a few years. Right
> now most of the atl-atl equipment I see has a lot of room for
> development (does anyone match their atl-atl shafts for spine and
> weight? not to my knowledge). When the equipment gets better, accuracy
> will improve.
> 
> Anyway, that's probably a long enough ramble for the moment. It's great
> to think that we will be seeing more atl-atl action on the range.
> 
> Eirik Gralokkr
> 
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