[Archers] Known World Archery Championship - was: Re: E.Gads and Pennsic

[Janyn Fletcher]

We were fully prepared to bring all the targets and marshal's to run the
complete novelty shoot, east would not budge on re-arranging the range to be
more efficient and allow this to happen and still keep the war points going.
There is plenty of room there to do it, just need to get the powers to be to
get on board, maybe with SB out of the way it will be more well received?

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[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Denise
McMahon
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Archers] Known World Archery Championship - was: Re: E.Gads
and Pennsic

Well.  That was depressing.

-Countess Rowan


On Oct 26, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Siegfried wrote:

>> I would love to see changes in Pennsic archery and I know I am in  
>> good
>> and plentiful company. Can Atlantia call for and sponsor such a known
>> world champioship? (I love the idea of everyone bringing a target.)  
>> If
>> we do not push for change it will not happen. So I would gladly  
>> work for
>> this and I would love a dialogue about the possibilities with those  
>> many
>> archers (yes, you) who are far wiser and more experienced than I am  
>> in
>> the ways of Pennsic and interkingdom politics, because I haven't a  
>> clue
>> of where to start.
>
> Let me state, that I would love the idea of a true Known World
> Championship at Pennsic.  Be it the ability for any Kingdom/group/ 
> etc to
> furnish their own 'team' to send through a course ... or be it an
> individual competition, or ... well, whatever it takes.
>
> Let me say; however, that this is not the first time said concept has
> been brought up, nor is it the first time that it's been 'attempted'  
> at
> Pennsic.  (Gulf Wars, in fact, has a similar thing).
>
> In practice tho, it's failed to come to fruition at Pennsic.   
> Primarily
> because of history/politics/etc.
>
> Realize that Pennsic, is in fact not a 'known world' event, even if  
> it's
> "seen as such" in the eyes of the world.  It is in fact, a Midrealm/ 
> East
> jointly hosted event, that happens to be on AEthelmearc grounds.  It's
> up to the Mid/East to decide what happens.
>
> And every year, the 'decision making process' (read: politics with big
> nasty teeth) come out, things get changed/moved/mangled ... even  
> slight
> changes to 'how things are done' get discussed to death, etc.
>
> Some of it is based upon "That's what we've always done" ... Some of  
> it
> is based upon the politics of the various sides (Royalty) trying to  
> 'win
> the war', etc.
>
> The problem in running such an event therefore, is that, IMO, the
> 'status quo' of Pennsic staff/setup, will not be doing it.  Because  
> it's
> not part of the Mid/East war.
>
> The flip-problem then, if someone wants to completely run it as a
> 'novelty shoot', is that for the size/nature of this, you will need to
> shut down the range for an entire day ... which needs to get past the
> Mid/East who are running it, and onto the schedule.
>
> Secondly, you are going to need to provide all the targets yourself,  
> you
> are going to need to provide all the marshals (though you can  
> certainly
> put out a call for help), you are going to need to provide setup  
> crews,
> (and re-setup crews to rebuild the range afterwards).
>
> Basically, one's Pennsic is going to be: "Planning, running,  
> executing"
> that shoot.   I know a number of the Head Mid/East marshals well, and
> their entire Pennsic is given up just to running the range/event that
> they have now (including weeks of prep beforehand) ... Heck, even as
> Kingdom TA Marshal of Atlantia, most of your war becomes helping
> run/prepare for the populace & championship shoot.  So adding any  
> extra
> 'thing' to that, doesn't fit.
>
> Heck, even 'cool things' we managed to do in some years.  Like the  
> year
> we had 4 teams for the Championship.  East, Mid, East Allies, Mid  
> Allies
> ... only lasted the one year, because next year's negotiations between
> Mid/East Royalty, removed it.
>
> In any case, Do not let me completely discourage you.  I would love to
> see this happen.  I think it's a great idea.  But there are some major
> hurdles to overcome, in order to affect this.  Earl Mika actually  
> before
> he left Atlantia, tried to start a tradition of the 'Atlantian  
> Longship
> shoot', a novelty shoot to be held there at Pennsic, and after 1 (or  
> 2?)
> years, it died off due to logistics.
>
> All that being said.  The 'real' solution here, coming from a non
> Mid/East person, would be for Pennsic to finally get over the Mid/East
> mindset, and just become an 'awesome event for everyone who  
> attends', in
> heavy/rapier/archery/etc ...
>
> But I do not see that happening, at least, I do not see that happening
> anytime soon.   We've had 39 years of tradition of it being a  
> cutthroat
> war.  And even the couple times recently, when there have been  
> attempts
> to remove that aspect - It's backfired/failed miserably.
>
> (Think back to the War, what was it, 2-3 years ago?  When the King of
> the Mid, at opening ceremonies, tried to give all war points to the  
> East
> so that the war was over and everyone could just have fun? - That  
> didn't
> go so well)
>
> In Service,
> Siegfried
>
> -- 
> Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust - Barony of Highland Foorde - Atlantia
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