[Archers] Trying to make some sense...

[Jay Nardone]

COG, thanks for the update I was hoping you would comment. I just want to
say again it is by no way I finger pointing at all, I was just trying to
understand. I was given an opportunity by Lorelei as her deputy and as many
know me I love to help. I yield to all of the wisdom that has come before us
to understand how things are. Not saying they are right or wrong but going
forward I would like to see some changes so we all are on the same page. I
am relatively new to the SCA as compared to most of you but I have been very
active and really had a chance to see how other kingdoms operate in my
travels. I can honestly say I am grateful for the way Atlantia is and I love
being part of it. Thanks again for the comments!

Janyn

-----Original Message-----
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of John Atkins
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:22 PM
To: 'Janyn Fletcher'; Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Trying to make some sense...

Janyn,
You are NOT in dream land.  If you browse about the Atlantian marshal
pages you will find that generally speaking they are woefully out of
date.  Speaking for archery, they list teaching marshals that are no
longer warranted nor have actually been on an archery range in years.
Some listed as DEMs for activities including but not limited to archery
are out of date.  Contact information is incorrect.  And the list goes
on.  I know that Lorelei has tried her best to get at least the archery
side updated and brought current but she does not have access to the web
pages and is NOT the person responsible for their maintenance.  Her
responsibility is to provide the information to the individuals who are
responsible for making the updates and she has done this along with
gentle prodding for currency.

As for the rules, what you point out has been the source of confusion
for some time.  As you state, the Atlantian pages say we follow the SCA
rules with no modifications but yet we have several modifications, i.e.
our latest 100 yard safety zone rule.  Do we need to restate SCA wide
rules that Atlantia follows?  I think not.  We should only state "our"
rules that differ from the SCA wide rules.  Is it time for an update?  I
think absolutely so.  Does it require support from those individuals who
are responsible for updating and have access to those pages?  I would
consider that a no brainer!  Has that support been forthcoming?  The
results are obvious.

When Kynnyth took over the office of Earl Marshal his first task, and
rightfully so due to a misunderstanding on my part, was to make sure all
archery marshals listed with warrants did in fact have warrants and the
proper paperwork to support those warrants.  He and I worked diligently
to get those records corrected and most of it was accomplished.  Most.
Kynnyth's point was that IF, big IF there, a person's name did not
appear on the blue pages of warranted marshals they did, in fact, not
have an official warrant.  Should that person be the "official" at a
practice or event where an injury occurred the KINGDOM would/could be
held liable.  It was a legal issue.  Thus having one's name in the
proper locations is more than just a procedural thing, according to
Kynnyth.  I have no reason to doubt what he said based on some "issues"
that have occurred within the SCA in other kingdoms.

There are others on this list that will, no doubt, have more and
possibly differing opinions to add to this topic.  However, I for one
think it is long over due for an update of the rules and marshal pages,
at least as they relate to target archery.  They are not current and it
has led to frustration ad confusion within the archery community.  

As for the question "well, why didn't you do this when you were DEM?".
As I stated above, I had a misunderstanding regarding the marshalling
process when I assumed the office.  Kynnyth and I worked to correct
these misunderstandings and nearly had the task completed but due to
some slow paperwork reconstruction/submissions, the task was incomplete
when Allen took over.  During my tenure there were no "issues" that
precipitated a new rule change like our new 100 yard rule and thus the
rules seemed well understood by the marshals and the teaching marshals.

Christophe of Grey

-----Original Message-----
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Janyn
Fletcher
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:22 PM
To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Trying to make some sense...


All, I love to learn and as Lorelei's deputy I am trying to do that best
I can. For the life of me I can't understand why certain things have to
be so hard to follow? I like to be able to give new folks that I am
helping the correct information and at this point I'm not sure where and
what that is? What I am talking about is our Atlanian Target Archery
rules. If you go to the Earl's marshal's page, the link says that
"Atlantia follows the society rules with no modifications", and the link
takes to you to the rules on the SCA page that are from October 2003.
Fine, by the way the Earl marshal's page is still showing incorrect
information for the DEM's for Atlania. If you go to the Atlantia Target
archery page, and click on rules, there is a completely different set of
rules there, that are also incorrect. 

So, which are we following? Seems to me that neither of them are
complete and or correct. Why are there two pages that don't link
together and don't have correct information and rules? Sorry I'm asking
so many questions but I don't understand why this needs to be so
difficult to follow so I thought I would ask. Seems to me we ought to
have one page that contains all of the DEM information and rules and
links for Atlantia.

Am I dreaming?

Janyn

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