[Archers] Fwd: I need your help

Mon Aug 23 06:34:05 PDT 2010

I'll bow to others experience who have done more with their Atlatl's ...
(I just purchased mine at Pennsic this year) ...

But if I may, let me make a few suggestions based upon input I was
getting from the Atlatl community years ago, when we were first
discussing the idea of an Atlatl RR.

I just went and read the 'rules' (perse) for it, and was a little surprised.

Back then when we talked about it, we had been specifically discussing
the idea of it being:

* 10, 20, 30yds (Just like Enequy's suggestion)
* Done against a 120cm FITA face, NOT the 60cm one.
* 3 vs 6 launches was being debated ... but at the time was leaning
towards 3 just because that seemed to be the 'standard', and the idea
was that requiring 6 would either suddenly put a large strain on entry,
and/or seriously slow down the rounds (having to go twice)

So, my suggestion would be to stay with 3 launches ... but to drop the
ranges as suggested, and move up to the 120cm target.  All of which seem
very reasonable for what the Atlatl is.

If you look at the numbers, the move to 120cm will 'roughly' double
scores (in practice it will do more than double) ... which would bring
the highest so far to 28.6 ... then the move 10yds closer, will make it
even easier ... and probably shoot top scores into the 30's,

That's still with only 3 throws ... 6 throws, double it.

... And officially if one was to go to 6 throws, the ranking
system/numbers would have to be changed ... which is based upon the
'potential maximum' score allowed.   A bigger target (120cm) just makes
it easier to score highly.   adding more throws, would require
rejiggering of the score ranks, which in the end wouldn't really make a
net change, other than seeing higher numbers overall, but people still
in the same ranks.

Afterall, you don't want to fall into the East Kingdom trap, where you
assuming people will only ever be 'so good', and then have to keep
inventing new top ranks because people keep surpassing them.

Siegfried

On 8/23/10 9:18 AM, jeff van de vaarst wrote:
> Lorelei,
>  
> I'm inclined to agree with Enequy on this .  6 darts does seem a bit
> more reasonable.  It would also give everyone a bit more
> practice.  Having been a marschal at the PENNSIC atlatl battles for the
> past 3 years, we are starting to see a decided increase in the number of
> folks wanting to play and the shorter distances are more consistent with
> the battle play.
>  
> Ghijskijn
>  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:58:03 -0400
> From: loreleielkins at aol.com
> Subject: [Archers] Fwd: I need your help
> 
> Forwarded for Enequy.(Goooh)
> 
> He brings up some points for discussion about atlatl.  Lady Reyne
> (robynbecker_AT_comcast.net <mailto:robynbecker_AT_comcast.net>) has
> proposed some rules for atlatl as well.  We've asked around the atlatl
> community and most people agree that we can go from three to six darts. 
> Thoughts?  Discussion?
> 
> Lorelei
> 
> PS We will have atlatl at War of the Wings, but not on a separate range
> from archery. We will also have an atlatl prize shoot.  Right now, for
> some reason atlatl counts as part of the thrown weapons war point.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: enequy at comcast.net
> To: loreleielkins at aol.com
> Cc: archers at atlantia.sca.org
> Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 12:39 am
> Subject: Re: [Archers] I need your help
> 
> I plan on being down there that WoW weekend and will assist for a little
> on the archery range.
>  
> But also planning on splitting my time with Atlatl and thrown weapons
>  
> Speaking of the Atlatl - - who did you say was the person to chat with
> about the Atlatl rules?? And email address??
>  
> The reason for the Atlatl info is I would like to recommend some
> changes, especially since the rules have not been stabilized yet. Being
> the present highest scorer on the active Atlatl list with a measly 5.7
> (the highest obtained is 14.7). That means no one has even reached the
> third rank (5 into second and 15 into third). This is highly frustrating
> for the person trying to make points.
>  
> My first recommendation is to change the range from 20, 30, 40 and
> move to 10, 20, 30. Not worried about speed - but what does other people
> think on a timed round. From what I understand the mundane Atlatl ranges
> are complimentary to what I have recommended. If the range has multiple
> butts up the addition or movement for a 10 yard shoot will not be that
> much. And if the archers move forward or back to make the ranges  it
> still will not be that much. We all wait for each of us to finish our
> shoot first anyway. And the person shooting the Atlatl will have to wait
> for the timed and the 40 yard range to be shot also.
>  
> I also recommend the use of six (6) atlatl darts at each range. And if a
> person only has three darts then throw three darts at a time and wait
> for the next round to shoot the next three. As long as six are shot at
> each range in sequence - either = 3at10, 3at10 and then move on or 6at
> 10 then move on. the 10, 20, 30 does not have to be thrown in that order
> as long as there are no 'practice' shots between. Basically the same
> rules there as archery.
>  
> Maybe this way more people can get interested in the Atlatl. especially
> without being frustrated with the LOW point system presently in place.
>  
> Enequy
> (sometimes known as Goooh of the March people)
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: loreleielkins at aol.com <mailto:loreleielkins at aol.com>
> To: archers at atlantia.sca.org <mailto:archers at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:08:16 PM
> Subject: [Archers] I need your help
> 
> Hi folks,
>  
> I'm sure you've noticed the posts about War of the Wings. 
> (www.warofthewings.com <http://www.warofthewings.com/>)  Its shaping up
> into a nice little war, and is now the largest event in the kingdom of
> Atlantia.  Its grown a bit too big for just a handful of marshals to run
> the archery range.  Last year we had well over 200 people come to shoot
> on the range over the 3 days it was open.
>  
> Lady Katarzyna Witkowska and Lord Edward de Witt will act as Deputy
> Archery Marshals for the event but we are in sore need of more help. 
> There are kids on the range who need twice as many eyes watching them
> than adults, and the shear number of people there means that we need
> several line marshals at all times.  We also need marshals to help with
> inspections and help running the night shoot.
>  
> If you are coming to War of the Wings, please let me know if you can
> work for an hour or two on the archery range.  I'll have a sign up sheet
> and everything!  The tentative schedule is posted below.  If you have
> never been to War of the Wings, you are missing an amazing event and you
> need to fix that.
> 
> Thursday 8 to 12.  Range Set up
> Thursday: Range opened from 1 to 5 for open shooting and Royal Rounds
>  
> Friday Range Opened 10 to 5
> 10:00 inspections
> 2:00 - 3:00 Beginning archery for kids
> 3:00 - 4:00 Beginning Atlatl
> 4:00 - 5:00 Atlatl prize fling!
> 7:30 - Susan G. Komen fundraiser night shoot 
>  
> Saturday Range Opened 8:30 - 5:00 (closed for procession)
> 11:30 Beginning Archery for Adults
> 12:30 Kids Prize Shoot
> 1:30 Improving your Archery
> 3:00 Adult Prize shoot
>  
> War Points can be shot all day Friday and Saturday (just once)
>  
> Sunday range take down
>  
> Sunday 10 - 12 Archery Marshals class
>  
> Thanks! 
>  
> Lorelei
> MiC - Archery
> War of the Wings
>  
> Please cross post this to appropriate lists. 
>  
>  
>  
> 
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