[Archers] Period bow category

[Siegfried]

Theodore ... thanks for passing that on.

If one looks around, they will find that almost every kingdom does the 
classification thing very differently.  We currently are set up like the 
East, since that's where we copied our rules from.

I can say, that An Tir has one of the most complicated sets of rules, 
and having the MOST categories (Open Longbow 1, Open Longbow 2, Open 
Recurve, Open Crossbow, Period Crossbow, Period Handbow)

I can also say, that talking amoungst my deputies, previous Kingdom 
Archery Marshals and so on ... that one feeling about adding a new 
category, was that people did NOT want to see the categories get THIS 
broken down.  To have a massive hodgepodge of them.  People liked the 
idea of adding 'one more' category, but not beyond that.

Also, a couple of differences in An Tir's versus what the consensus in 
Atlantia seems to be:

1) An Tir applies this to ALL it's competitions, not just Royal Rounds.

2) An Tir, because of this, allows a single bow to be used in multiple 
categories.  As opposed to having just a distinct RR category to show 
that you were using a 'more primitive' style of bow.

3) An Tir, similarly, has ammo requirements, which has problems with 
trying to be a 'distinct/unique' category based on the bow.  If you 
require ammo requirements, then the same bow classifies as period if 
shot with self-nocks, and 'longbow' (for example) if shot with plastic 
nocks.  Yet it's the same bow, the bow shoots the same either way, etc. 
    Again, this was something that a number of people were not wanting 
to see.  Wanting to see categories based upon the bow, as our current 
ones are.  Again, if I hear significantly differently I can look at 
changing that.

Thanks again for the input,
Siegfried




Ted Shertzer wrote:
>>
>>To help in wording:
>>
>>The following are the period/bow definitions used in another kingdom (An
> 
> Tir). As a side note: I especially like the part that crossbows can not
> compete with recurves and longbows in any competition. They also have
> regulations on the arrows being used for period categories.
> 
>>Definitions of Bow Types:
>>
>>A recurve shall be defined as any bow with recurved limb ends and a cutout
> 
> sight window.  Included in this category shall be those bows with only
> slightly recurved limb ends and cutout sight windows, where the string does
> not touch the recurved portion of the limb end, or only slightly touches it.
> Also included shall be bows modeled on the Asian style recurves, i.e.,
> Magyar, Hun, Chinese, Turkish or Korean, characterized by having static
> recurve limb tips, or Siyahs, but no cutout sight window.
> 
>>A longbow shall be defined as any bow with straight limbs, or slightly
> 
> recurved limb ends, and no cutout sight window, where the bowstring does not
> touch the limb ends, or only slightly touches the limb ends.  Modern
> longbows having an arrow shelf built into the bow are, by definition, longbows.
> 
>>A period style bow is, by definition, a bow that conforms in spirit and/or
> 
> actuality to bows common during the time period covered by the SCA.  Modern
> laminated longbows are considered a period style bow.  Modern recurves, with
> full or partial cutout sight windows, are not considered a period style bow.
> A bow with recurved limb ends or static limb tips, such as Siyahs on Asiatic
> bows, but with no cutout sight window, are considered period style bows.  A
> crossbow having a solid wooden stock or body in the shape of pre-1650
> crossbows is considered a period style bow.  It may not have a rifle style
> butt. It may not have sights, either front or rear.   A crossbow having a
> plastic or modern composite material stock or body, with cut outs through
> the stock or body, is not considered a period style bow.
> 
>>DIVISIONS:
>>
>>           Open Class: Longbows and recurves are allowed, no poundage limits.
>>
>>           Longbow Class:  (two divisions)
>>
>>a.       Longbow 1 – Only longbows of 45 lbs. or heavier weight are
> 
> allowed.  No sights or limb marks may be used.  Longbows may be of any type
> material approved for use in the SCA.  No string walking allowed.
> 
>>b.      Longbow 2 – Only longbows of 44 lbs. or less weight are allowed.
> 
> No sights or limb marks may be used.  Longbows may be of any type material
> approved for use in the SCA.   No string walking allowed.
> 
>>Crossbow Class: 
>>
>>No poundage limitations, except as dictated by safety concerns.  A simple
> 
> fixed rear sight is allowed.  No front sight is allowed.  No adjustable or
> optical sights allowed.  Crossbows may be shot from any position consistent
> with safety standards.  No artificial supports may be used.
> 
>>Crossbows may not compete with longbows or recurves in competitions.
>>
>>           Period Class:  (two divisions)
>>
>>The main intent of the Period Class is to encourage the use and
> 
> construction of gear with a more period appearance in our Kingdom archery.
> Period style longbows and recurves may be shot in the Open division as well.
> 
>>a.       Period recurve and longbow – Period style recurves and longbows of
> 
> any material are allowed.  Modern style recurves or longbows with full or
> partial center cut sight windows are not allowed.  The bow must have the
> appearance of a period style bow.  There is no weight limits, either maximum
> or minimum.  No limb marks or sighting aids may be used.  Non period arrow
> rests are not allowed.  Archers may use any period style release appropriate
> for their bow, but are not required to do so.  For example, an archer may
> use a glove or tab instead of a thumb ring while shooting an Asian style
> bow.   Modern string materials are allowed, as well as period materials.
> 
>>b.      Period Crossbow  - Only period style crossbows may compete in this
> 
> division.  Crossbows may compete only in the crossbow divisions.  The
> crossbow may be shot from any position, but only the hands, not on a stand
> or sandbag, etc.,  may hold the crossbow.  Slings are not allowed for
> shooting, but may be used to carry the crossbow. 
> 
>>Arrows and Bolts for the Period Divisions:
>>
>>a.       For handbows in the period division, all arrows must be of wood,
> 
> cane or bamboo.  Fletching must be of feathers.  Points may be of any style
> except broadheads or those points that cause uncommon damage to the target
> face.   Nocks must be self, reinforced or built up (no plastic nocks).
> Reinforcing or build up materials may include horn, bone, ivory, leather,
> hardwood or other natural materials used in period. 
> 
>>b.      For crossbows, bolts may use either period style bolts or cut down
> 
> wood arrow shafts.  Points may be of any style except broadheads or those
> points that cause uncommon damage to the target face.   Fletching may be
> with feathers, parchment or other period materials.  There may be from two
> to four fletches.  Nocks shall be self or reinforced (no plastic nocks).
> Metal may be used for reinforcement.
> 
>>
> 
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