[Atlantia-Announce] From the Society College of Arms - March 2015 Name/device RETURNS

Craig via Announce announce at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Mon May 11 15:06:43 PDT 2015


These are the RETURNS from the March 2015 Letter of Acceptances and 
Returns from the Society College of Arms.If your name and/or device are 
listed on here, please contact your consulting herald to assist you in 
making the necessary changes and resubmitting.

Elspeth de Iarsay. Device. Per pale indented argent and sable, a heart 
counterchanged.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states 
"Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." As drawn the indented line 
of division renders the upper and lower part of the heart difficult to 
identify. The fact that both the upper and lower part of the heart are 
difficult to identify renders the charge unidentifiable; some commenters 
thought it a seeblatt or some other charge. On redraw, a shallower 
indentation might help.

Mad Davy de Iarsay. Device. Per pale indented sable and argent, a heart 
counterchanged.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states 
"Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." As drawn the indented line 
of division renders the upper and lower part of the heart difficult to 
identify. The fact that both the upper and lower part of the heart are 
difficult to identify renders the charge unidentifiable; some commenters 
thought it a seeblatt or some other charge. On redraw, a shallower 
indent might help.

Martelle von Charlottenburg. Badge. (Fieldless) An escallop inverted Or 
crowned with a pearled coronet and joined at the hinge to an arrow 
fesswise reversed vert.

This badge is returned for multiple conflicts. Per the current rules, 
the the coronet is a maintained charge and doesn’t provide a DC. 
Therefore, and because there is no DC for changing the type of seashell, 
this submission conflicts the Heralds’ Seals of Triton Herald, 
(Tinctureless) A triton-shell trumpet bell in chief . There is a DC for 
fieldless versus tinctureless but nothing for adding the coronet and 
arrow. Per the same count, it also conflicts with the badge of Ian James 
of Silverlake, (Fieldless) A whelk shell fesswise Or, and the badge of 
the Order of the Whelk of the Barony of Tir-y-Don, Gyronny argent and 
azure, a whelk, bell in chief, Or.

This submission was pended on December 2014 Letter of Acceptance and 
Return to allow a discussion of our standards for difference regarding 
maintained & sustained conjoined charges. Please see the Cover Letter 
for information about the proposed updated standards.

Ragnarr Haraldsson. Name.

Submitted as Ragnarr Haraldarson, the genitive (possessive) form of the 
father’s name in the

patronym was corrected in kingdom. Unfortunately, the name is now 
identical to the registered Ragnarr Haraldsson and must be returned.

His device has been registered under the holding name Ragnarr of 
Nottinghill Coill.

Scholastica Joycors. Device. Azure, a sun Or charged with a decrescent 
azure both issuant from an open book argent.

This device is returned for redesign. With the book overlapping on one 
side both the sun and the tertiary crescent issuing from it, the book is 
de facto partially a quaternary charge. Barring documentation for such 
an arrangement, it is not registerable.

-Cian Triton



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